Men seek to establish Tuscarora nation in N.C.

Durham Herald-Sun [Durham, N.C.] ^ | June 17, 2004 | The Associated Press

[wardaddy]

I;m teasing. I just pick on the nutty pc view of Indians that is 100% Dances With Wolves.

Lots of strength to respect in Indians....I like the martial talents of some and the respect for ancestry. I hate to brag but I also think the North American Indians were the cream of the crop too....my wife is about 5% or so Creek...not unusual in Middle TN.

The ebb and flow of migrations and civilizations is sort of just how it goes....ask the Saxons or Picts or Celts. Modern civ meets bronze age....bound to be conflict.

What is Yeagley's moniker here?

[muawiyah]

It's the kind of thing you'll never forget when you run into it.

Before that I'd thought it was just good propaganda ~ "Eaters of Men" and all that.

The Shawnee at the Falls on the Ohio had the same story going about themselves. Undoubtedly it reduced their national defense budget to a remarkably low level (for the times).

[muawiyah]

Concerning "Iron Matron" and the uncharitable things he/she said, notice how I used a "soft word" to "turneth away wrath".

The sucker is GONE!

[Constitution Day]

Lighten up, Francis.
I'm white.

I do partake of the firewater on occasion, though.

[Constitution Day]

Yes, I have a copy. It's really a treasure.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

Oh, cool. More Indian-bashing. I can't get enough. < /eye-bleedingsarcasm >

[Chad Fairbanks]

I believe his screen name is Bad Eagle... in honor of his ancestor.

I hate the PC revisionism, too. My ancestors waged war in every state west of the Mississippi long before whites came. We were peaceful, most of the time, within the Iroquoian Nations, but did some serious butt-kicking on others ;0)

However, they also built an amazing society, complete with a "constitution" which, in my opinion was one of many inspirations for the Constitution we all as Americans enjoy today. Of course, that particular line of belief is controversial and really ticks some people off ;0)

[Chad Fairbanks]

I always thought it was a rumour put out by themselves for that purpose also, until my great grandmother filled me in... Personally, I'm glad it's no longer practiced. I don't really care much for the taste ;0)

[Chad Fairbanks]

Oops. I meant east of the mississippi, not west... Need sleep LOL

[Old Professer]

More "Bull-sitting" I see.

[Consort]

[AnalogReigns]

My direct kin were some of the founding fathers of Robeson.

[Constitution Day]

I don't know if it's a generic name or not, but the ones I've known are indeed mulatto.
They're still trying to get full federal recognition, last I recall.

You know, we do have a casino in western NC:
Harrah's Cherokee Casino & Hotel

I've never been there; I'm not much on gambling.

[sawmill trash]

They plan to add permanent buildings, such as a cookhouse and sweat lodge, and would also like to build houses on the land.

...then we gonna build a big ol casino !

[Iron Matron]

The Oneida were a highly organized nation that was allied with the United States in the American Revolution. "We won".
Your attitude toward treaty obligations suggests that the "uncivilized" people on this continent came from Europe (which isn't all that surprising is it).


LOL!

BTW The Native Americans of this Nation deserve tax-exempt status simply because we did move onto "their" lands. Would you believe that I believe that? I dont think we ought to tax their casinos either.

But if some tribe thinks they deserve their own Nation ala palestine and Israel I dont agree with that, and can not imagine a treaty that says they can have anything more than certain lands (course, I dont know it all) .

Native Americans did not build this country up to what it is today - at least not by themselves. A "Tuscarora Nation is inconsistant with the UNITED STAES of AMERICA and should not be considered.

[Iron Matron]

Chad

Hell, my Iroquoian ancestors were brutish, aggressive, and warlike, but on the flipsde they also created a "constitutional republic" earlier than the United States did...

I misspoke. In the olden days, Native Americans were savages - I was speaking from that perspective, not modern day. Also, it is well known that alcoholism is a great problem on the reservation - one that is certainly understandable. My comment was meant to be funny - guess it wasn't.

[Iron Matron]

But what the hell would I know? I'm an indian so I must constantly be in the bottle, right "Iron Matron"?


No personal insult intended. I am a product of the 1950's. What can be said?

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, I just dislike the stereotype that indians are drunks - or that it is used as something to hurl at indians who believe something that we don't agree with.

The problem with alcoholism among american indians is nowhere near as bad as is widely believed...

[Iron Matron]

Lighten up, Francis.
I'm white.

LOL! I'll bet, like me, there is a least a little Indian in all of us. As far as firewater is concerned, I dont handle it real well - I turn in to a mean gorilla.

[Iron Matron]

Well, I just dislike the stereotype that indians are drunks

I dont either, and I should not have been so insensitive. I was being smart mouthed only because of this "we want our own Nation" thing.

The American Indian was wronged, I believe, and should have some sort of compensation (short of breaking up the United States of course).

I am not sure about how widespread alcohol abuse is among American Indians, I believe it was confined to certain Tribes (I think it was Navajo that got so bad?). And, not to sound sexists, but, you take a proud Indian man, put him on government subsidies, make him live on a reservation with no real work to be had, how's he gonna react? The same way I would - depression, anger, alcoholism, maybe.

The travesty of the Tribes is an American Problem for sure, one that can be handled peacefully in modern times. If more folks would shut up (me for instance) and get serious we could perhaps solve it.