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To: hedgetrimmer

"No, they only found 1 salamander. It is on property that the school already owns, and bought before the green meanies decided they had to control every little thing a person does on this planet, so no, no environmental study was done when the property was purchased.

Environmentalists have a reputation for planting endangered species on land they want to control, whether its putting linx hair on a barbed wire fence or letting some critter go on another's property."

Well then fight it in court. A find of a single specimen does not cosntitute a breeding resident population and shouldn't stop the project if that is the case.

"In case you forgot, the under the Constitution, property owners have the right to do whatever they want on their property, including build school facilities."

Yeah - within limits. You can't have a pig farm in the middle of a residential subdivision or a shooting range next to a school yard.

"Or are you one of the ones who want a post-Constitutional America with only the environmentalists controlling property?"

I believe very strongly in the Constitution. But I also beleive the government has the responsibility and the right to preserve for the future what is valuable in the present.

"Its a lie that city dwellers only see pigeons, rats and cockroaches. There are large populations of animals in city limits and just outside. Coyotes, hawks, skunks and possums make cities their homes just as other animals do. You only have to open your eyes to see the abundance of wildlife."

Maybe just outside and maybe in a small city in Middle America. The gigantic conrete and asphalt ponderosas of the large metropolitan areas do not make room for much more than vermin and people.

"Sorry, but you have to give the individual his rights if you want to live in a Constitutional America. Some people could care less if they never saw a wild animal ."

If they like their damn cities so much they should stay there and not come out into the Country and interfere with my right to hunt and fish and shoot with their uncontrolled development. I am no liberal and I know a lot of conservatives who feel the same as I do. They are sick and tired of hordes and hordes of city folks moving out into the Country because they hate the city and then turning the Country into a bigger city.

"some people like the fellow up in Alaska, loved bears so much they ate him."

That guy was an idiot or a fanatic. I love bears too - from a distance or in the sights of my rifle or on a dinner table.

"The environmental movement is creating a totalitarian society, where liberty and freedom are cast aside for a collective that values a salamander over humans and Constitutional rights."

Like any other movement, the environmentalists have their kooks too. Unfortunately because it is politically correct, environmentalism is not subjected to the same media scrutiny as the NRA and us gun-owners.

However, there is a happy medium. We can have our cities and malls and salamanders too - we just have to work out a balance and you must admit that developers have really ruined a lot of America.

Do you know what its like to live in a small nice sleepy American town with ordinary folks who all know each other, where you can go for a hike in the woods, fish, hunt or target practise with no problem? And then all of a sudden, some slick city feller buys up a large tract of land and builds a bunch of ugly look-alike houses and a bunch of rude, always rushing around, fast-living city people move in and your taxes go sky-high because the town needs to triple its police force and build new schools for the children of those folks who hate you, your dogs, your guns, your entire way of life and think you are some kind of ignorant inbred redneck because you were there before them?


21 posted on 06/17/2004 2:16:47 PM PDT by ZULU
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To: ZULU
the government has the responsibility and the right to preserve for the future what is valuable in the present.

If you believe this you don't believe in the Constitution at all. This statement is directly from the socialists at the United Nations, who under the aegis of Gro Harlem Brundtland created sustainable development for the sole purpose of removing private property from the hands of the individual and giving it to the government and their anointed friends. If you believe this statement then you believe in communism. By "preserving for the future what is valuable in the present" you are stealing from today,and the government has no right to do this.

If you read the Constitution, you will see that the government has no right to interfere with private property nor to own property other than what is necessary for the function of government and for national defense.
23 posted on 06/17/2004 2:29:24 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: ZULU
We can have our cities and malls and salamanders too - we just have to work out a balance and you must admit that developers have really ruined a lot of America.

Give it up, you've proved wrong and out-argued.

33 posted on 06/17/2004 8:29:08 PM PDT by Old Professer (lust; pure, visceral groin-grinding, sweat-popping, heart-pounding staccato bursts of shooting stars)
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