Plus there's one law in physics that I always liked;
f=ma (force = mass x acceleration)
For example, take a 45 grain .223 at 3550fps (muzzle) or a 170 grain 8mm Mauser bullet going at 2360fps. Remington test data states that at 200 yards the .223 has 590 ft-lbs of energy compared to 993 ft-lbs for my 8mm. Plus over 200 yards the .233 data is blank - except for "short range bullet drop". To me, that sort of says it all. An AR is fine for certain uses but not as a main-line rifle.
As pistols and the .40 S&W, I can't say much. I tend to shy away from new 'designer' type calibers. I mean, wasn't the 10mm the 'hot' caliber a few years back?
Anyway, I like the 9mm for one basic reason, standardization and ammo availability. As when the U.N. Blue helmets come here, and they will, they'll be packing 9mm guns and extra ammo - for me :-)
But you know, this is another great things about guns, we all have our favorites and it's all a matter of personal choice.
God bless America and the 2nd Amendment.
my ar15 68 grain at 2700 feet
Range Vel. Energy Total
yds fps ft/lbs Drop
0 2700 1100 0.0
25 2639 1051 -0.2
50 2580 1004 -0.6
75 2521 959 -1.4
100 2463 915 -2.5
125 2406 873 -4.0
150 2350 833 -5.9
175 2294 794 -8.2
200 2240 757 -10.8
225 2186 721 -13.9
250 2132 686 -17.5
275 2079 652 -21.6
300 2027 620 -26.1
325 1976 589 -31.1
350 1925 559 -36.7
375 1876 531 -42.8
400 1827 503 -49.7
425 1780 478 -57.1
450 1733 453 -65.5
475 1687 429 -74.6
500 1643 407 -84.2
525 1599 386 -94.7
550 1556 365 -106.0
575 1514 346 -117.9
600 1472 327 -130.9
625 1433 310 -145.6
650 1396 294 -160.7
675 1359 278 -177.6
700 1325 265 -195.0
725 1291 251 -214.1
750 1258 238 -234.6
775 1227 227 -255.6
800 1199 217 -279.7
825 1173 207 -303.9
850 1147 198 -331.0
875 1124 190 -359.1
900 1103 183 -388.1
925 1083 177 -419.8
950 1064 170 -454.2
975 1047 165 -489.3
1000 1031 160 -526.5 43.8 feet
Your mauser 8 mm at 2360 fps
Range Vel. Energy Total
yds fps ft/lbs Drop
0 2360 2102 0.0
25 2304 2003 -0.2
50 2249 1909 -0.8
75 2195 1818 -1.9
100 2141 1730 -3.4
125 2088 1645 -5.4
150 2036 1564 -7.8
175 1985 1487 -10.7
200 1934 1411 -14.3
225 1884 1339 -18.4
250 1835 1270 -23.1
275 1788 1206 -28.5
300 1741 1144 -34.6
325 1695 1084 -41.5
350 1650 1027 -49.1
375 1606 973 -57.5
400 1563 922 -66.6
425 1521 873 -76.4
450 1479 825 -87.2
475 1440 782 -99.5
500 1402 741 -112.6
525 1366 704 -126.7
550 1330 667 -142.6
575 1297 634 -158.8
600 1264 603 -176.8
625 1232 572 -196.1
650 1204 547 -217.2
675 1177 522 -239.6
700 1152 500 -263.0
725 1127 479 -289.3
750 1106 461 -316.7
775 1086 445 -345.5
800 1067 429 -376.9
825 1050 416 -409.1
850 1033 402 -445.3
875 1018 391 -482.0
900 1004 380 -520.0
925 990 369 -562.1
950 978 361 -602.3
975 965 351 -650.4
1000 954 343 -695.2 58.1 feet
yds fps ft/lbs Inches
We kill more gorilla in ND and SD with the 223 that we do with the 308 bullet 100 to 1.
The 223 has it place.
Semper Fe
PS I noticed the drop is signifcantly more 58 vs 42 feet for the two bullets.
long time gorilla hunter from South Dakota.