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Man get 50 years in prison for raping daughter who hung herself
AP Wire (direct feed) | June 16, 2004 | WILLIAM KATES

Posted on 06/16/2004 9:25:09 AM PDT by NYer

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To: MarMema

Oh dear God, that poor girl...

As sad as this case is, it's comforting to know the Lord has her now...and she's at peace.


41 posted on 06/16/2004 9:54:17 AM PDT by ItsOurTimeNow ("A sword day! A red day, 'ere the sun rises!")
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To: NYer

Headline should have read "hanged", not "hung".


42 posted on 06/16/2004 9:54:50 AM PDT by MistrX
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To: Right_Rev
Dr. Ann Botash, a child sexual abuse expert called in to assist the medical examiner. Botash based her conclusion that Valerie was sexually assaulted on a limited physical examination and failed to consider any history or medical records, Moynihan said. He also argued the scant physical evidence doctors found was inconclusive. Moynihan noted that Valerie did not suffer any external physical injuries to her vaginal or anal areas, only tiny broken blood vessels that could have been caused in a number of other ways. Botash and Medical Examiner Dr. Mary Jumbelic testified that Valerie had several small bruises on her arms, legs, stomach and buttocks. But Moynihan suggested "these are the type of normal injuries that might be suffered by any 11-year-old girl, especially one who horseplays with four younger brothers." He also reminded jurors there was no semen or other DNA evidence indicating the girl had been raped.

Personally this begins to look more like a witchhunt.

43 posted on 06/16/2004 9:57:08 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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To: NYer
Walsh said he would recommend that Lucie serve his sentence at the Clinton Correctional Facility,

How ironic that a sex perv gets to serve his sentence at the CLINTON Correctional Facility.

44 posted on 06/16/2004 9:57:11 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: Our man in washington

ping to my post above.


45 posted on 06/16/2004 9:58:11 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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To: Go Gordon

Is the Clinton Correctional Facility the place ClintBilly went to...ahem... to straighten things out? :0)


46 posted on 06/16/2004 9:58:29 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: GretchenM
The post-mortem would certainly have brought forth conclusive evidence to bring charges and a conviction.

If the coroner did not mess up the evidence. Or the child did not wash it away. Or the evidence did not support the DA’s case.

These things and others could have made it advantageous not to bring up physical evidence.

47 posted on 06/16/2004 9:59:47 AM PDT by Pontiac (Ignorance of the law is no excuse, ignorance of your rights can be fatal.)
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To: GretchenM

ping to my post above. No DNA and no semen. I have trouble buying this one in light of those statements.


48 posted on 06/16/2004 9:59:59 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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To: GretchenM; Kay; aBootes; murdoog; CSM; Pontiac

"Moynihan reminded the jury of the lack of physical evidence directly linking Lucie to the sexual assault of Valerie.

In a continued effort to incite reasonable doubt, he said the injuries on Valerie’s body could have been caused by something other than rape and sodomy.

“If it’s consistent with self-inflicted injury, that would also explain why there’s no physical evidence – there’s no semen, DNA, hairs, fibers,” said Moynihan."

http://www.news10now.com/content/all%5Fnews/?ArID=19982&SecID=83


49 posted on 06/16/2004 10:02:33 AM PDT by wmichgrad
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To: bad company
Sad truly sad.

Crushing. Heartbreaking.

50 posted on 06/16/2004 10:02:46 AM PDT by Skooz (My Biography: Psalm 40:1-3)
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To: murdoog
He has appealed his conviction. Lucie was accused of sexually assaulting his daughter, Valerie, in the shower at their Syracuse home Sept. 30

Perhaps there was not enough dna.

51 posted on 06/16/2004 10:04:18 AM PDT by wanderin
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To: NYer

awful. I am at a loss for words.


52 posted on 06/16/2004 10:04:18 AM PDT by Teplukin
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To: Izzy Dunne

Considering that the Clinton Correctional Facility is a maximum security facility, he will not be having a very nice time during his stay.

Once the general population gets wind of what he did, it will then get even worse.

I'm sure this creep will be segregated from the others, simply to save his own life.


53 posted on 06/16/2004 10:07:01 AM PDT by Guillermo (Simpson, you've got a short in your tail light. It started blinking when you made that turn - Wiggum)
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To: BibChr
Lucie said his children were home-schooled because he and his wife did not want them in public school, where they could learn about evolution and Harry Potter, Williams said.
54 posted on 06/16/2004 10:10:45 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Very weird!


55 posted on 06/16/2004 10:11:37 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: Our man in washington

The article doesn't say it, but I imagine there WAS a lot more evidence. Not trying to be crude here, but an adult male would probably cause some tearing in a child that small upon penetration, especially if sodomy was involved. My mother is a retired nurse who was the communicable disease nurse for our county. She had a prisoner in a minimum security prison suspected to have AIDS that she had to visit. He was emotionally screwed up & she had a doctor examine him, whereupon the report stated his rectum was 3 times larger than it should have been. In other words, he had SOMETHING up there that wasn't supposed to be there. My point is that if a grown man shows signs of sodomy that obvious, imagine what something like that would do to a small child. On second thought, it's probably best NOT to try to imagine that!

Anyway, there may not have been DNA evidence because he may have "pulled out" prior to ejaculation and, being in a shower, other evidence of contact could have been washed away. There are a number of things that could have affected the evidence. Besides, the reality isn't anything like CSI where they all but wave a magic wand and evidence appears. It is much harder than you might think, especially when a sick bastard really wants to cover it up. When you factor in the lawyer, who will try to get all kinds of evidence dismissed (look at Kobe Bryant's team and what they are doing) and there may have been some DNA evidence that the jury didn't get to see. The judge would have seen it and his reaction tells me he knows this prick did it.

I will agree with you, though, in that if this is all they had on the guy, it would have been difficult for me to convict him. But a jury DID convict him and some jurors even showed up at the sentencing, so that tells me there may have been more to this than the story tells.


56 posted on 06/16/2004 10:11:38 AM PDT by Littlejon
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To: MarMema

What if a condom were used?That could lead to no semen.


57 posted on 06/16/2004 10:11:42 AM PDT by quack
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To: NYer

Calling this guy A Father, is an insult to everything this title stands for. He may have sired his helpless young victem, but A Father he ain't!

I supose that 50 years for this crime is about as good as liberal dominated New York can muster, but it ain't nearly enough! Death by hanging, just as his victem chose in her shame, dissappointment and grief over being betrayed by the very one that little girls look to for refuge, comfort, and guidance, ain't enough either, but it would better indicate that just maybe, the law considered her life at least as precious as her assailant's.


58 posted on 06/16/2004 10:12:11 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell ( Kerry's for the little people- for the little people being used as spare parts that is.)
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To: MarMema
No DNA and no semen. I have trouble buying this one in light of those statements.

I'm inclined to agree with you on the facts as they are presented here but and it's a big but - A jury of his peers convicted him and they were privy to much more information than we have here. The jury system is far from perfect but it's the best there is anywhere.

If he is truly innocent maybe he will win on appeal. If he's guilty he got what he deserved. - just my opinion.

59 posted on 06/16/2004 10:12:18 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: aBootes
I'm assuming that the DNA was utterly conclusive

Guess again.

60 posted on 06/16/2004 10:12:18 AM PDT by MarMema (Up, up, up, there's nowhere to go from here but up.)
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