Man get 50 years in prison for raping daughter who hung herself

AP Wire (direct feed) | June 16, 2004 | WILLIAM KATES

[najida]

A pre-pubescent girl of 11 is too old to be undressed or seen naked by her father, unless there are other circumstances (illness, injury, disability).

[cyncooper]

The mob mentality on this site is frightening as well. 90% of the posts on this article are willing to assume this man's guilt

B.S.

There is no mob mentality (geeze, get a grip), and the man has been *convicted*. I'll go with the man's written confession and the jury's verdict and conclude he is guilty. You betcha.

[F.J. Mitchell]

But Mud, the ex-rapist-in-chief made it just as clear as Mississippi river water during a spring flood, that for any sexual encounter with the opposite sex, whether rape or between aleged to be consenting adults or forced passions upon reluctant partners of any age, to be defined as sex, depended entirely upon the particular orifice of penetration.

THe devil is in the details.

[cyncooper]

You might be surprised at how detailed false confessions can be. People broken by the KGB...

Yes, I'm sure the police here acted just like the KGB.

[kpp_kpp]

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Still looking for evidence other than the confession... I can't even find anything that tells why the police would be asking about rape. Again, not claiming he is innocent, but it certainly doesn't make sense.

http://www.courttv.com/news/2004/0527/dad_ap.html
"Lucie confessed to the rape after a six-hour interrogation in October, but he later recanted. He said the confession was coerced by police, who threatened to arrest his wife and take away his four younger sons if he didn't admit to the sexual attack."

I don't get why the police where asking him to admit to a sexual attack if there was no evidence of one.

I know I'm in no place to make a judgment either way but there must be something else besides a recanted statement - whether or not it was coerced is almost beside the point, the prosecutor couldn't find anyone to speak against him or his character, nor did they have any other evidence.

[kpp_kpp]

see message 145

[cyncooper]

Imagine your dismay if your child had just died and instead of being able to grieve you were interrogated for six hours all the while being accused of raping her?

Don't forget the sodomy. Those dastardly KGB-like police "made" him confess in detail to more than just rape.

Unbelievable. Here in America!

/sarcasm

[CharacterCounts]

nor did they have any other evidence.

I doubt this is true. But if it is then there is nothing to worry about because the case will be reversed on appeal. The law does not permit a conviction based solely upon a confession. To convict there must be other evidence sufficient to convict the defendant.

[F.J. Mitchell]

Thank you. That's exactly what I've been trying to say.

[NCSteve]

According to the prosecution and the Syracuse Police Department, in his written confession, Lucie described in great detail raping and sodomizing his daughter.

You highlighted the wrong clause. Apparently this confession never made it into the public record. Heresay, counselor, pure heresay.

[cyncooper]

Still looking for evidence other than the confession

Well, the trial lasted 8 days. I sat on a jury for second degree murder that "only" took 5. They must have been presenting something to the jury over that time.

[Cronos]

Hand him over to alQaeda

[cyncooper]

I don't get why the police where asking him to admit to a sexual attack if there was no evidence of one.

It appears to me he volunteered this information.

[monday]

"I missed this in the thread. Can you point me to it please?"

See the link on post #54.

[cyncooper]

You highlighted the wrong clause. Apparently this confession never made it into the public record.

Of course, I did not highlight the wrong clause since the jury was presented with the written confession.

From the same article:

The focus today has been on Lucie's written confession

~snip~

Motions by the defense to suppress the confession were denied

[ItsOurTimeNow]

Ah! I knew it!

Those homeschoolers ruin EVERYTHING!

</sarcasm>

Seriously, was there ANY need for that article to mention the homeschooling? If the situation were reversed, do you think they'd mention that the kids go to public school?

Just watch...this will turn into an anti-homeschool hit piece.

[NCSteve]

...and the man has been *convicted*...

I certainly hope you are never falsely accused of anything. Given your apparent faith in the infallibility of the criminal justice system and our courts, it will certainly come as a big surprise to you when the jury of your peers convicts you.

No one posting here has enough information to pass judgment on this case. However given the information we have, IMO, reasonable doubt exists. If I had been on the jury and this was the breadth and depth of the information I had, I would never have voted to convict and I believe there is a good possibility that the jury here acted emotionally and not objectively.

Just to be clear, if the guy is guilty, I believe he should be publicly drawn and quartered, literally. However, if he is innocent, no amount of reparation will ever make up for the travesty.

[quack]

Really bad reporting over all.Some articles say he recanted before giving a videotaped confession,but other reports say the jury went back and looked at the video tape to look for any coercing.Was a video monitor in the room while he wrote his statement or did he indeed give a videotaped confession?

Also,the articles say she was raped and sodomized.One can be raped and sodomized orally.It doesn't necessarily mean he had anal intercourse with her,so there wouldn't be any injuries to her vagina or rectum.

Is the media simply speculating what sodomy means in this situation or have I missed all this information?

[CyberAnt]

And .. HIS WIFE DEFENDED HIM.

I don't know how a mother can defend a person who does that to her child .. this is beyond my comprehension.

[monday]

"Yes, I'm sure the police here acted just like the KGB."

Interrogation is similar the world over. Ironically it is often the most distressing to the innocent. If you are innocent one has the initial instinct to help your interrogators. You become confused and disoriented if your interrogators don't believe you.

People who are falsely accused and who have had no previous experience with the criminal justice system report that feelings of unreality sweep over them. They are completely unprepared to defend themselves from false accusations because all of their previous beliefs in the infallibility and essential righteousness of the criminal justice system tell them that what they are experiencing must be some kind of terrible mistake.

Often the easily confused sign confessions because they become unsure themselves if they are sane or not.

Detailed confessions come about from suggestion. An Interrogator asks, "did such and such happen"? If the accused wants to please his interrogator, not an uncommon occurrence, the accused simply says yes. This then becomes part of his confession.

I hope you are never falsely accused of a crime. Your belief in the essential justness of police interrogation methods may make you especially vulnerable.