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N. Korea: The Dangers of Self-Delusion
Time ^ | Jun. 14, 2004 | NICHOLAS EBERSTADT

Posted on 06/16/2004 5:07:46 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster

The Dangers of Self-Delusion

Appeasement failed with Hitler, and it won't work with Kim Jong Il

BY NICHOLAS EBERSTADT

Monday, Jun. 14, 2004
How can we make sense of the seemingly never-ending spectacle that is the North Korean nuclear crisis? Let me suggest an answer: we're watching "conference diplomacy" all over again—that is to say, the approach to conflict resolution embraced by the great powers of Europe in the 1920s and '30s. The premise underlying this peculiar mode of "diplomatic engagement" was that international disputes were really just disagreements among reasonable gentlemen. If only these men could gather to talk things out, the wishful thinking ran, a peaceful settlement agreeable to all could surely be reached. Each new round of talks was hailed as a success, with the antagonists' willingness to sit at the same table held out as proof that conference diplomacy was working. But without giving away the conclusion, we can tell audiences that the tale of conference diplomacy was not a story with a happy ending.

How could an approach that solved none of Europe's security problems have been allowed to continue for years? You have to remember that the world was a frightening place back then, that the balance of power in the region had broken down and that a stable new equilibrium was not yet at hand. Ambitious dictators took advantage of this new playing field, and self-deluding Western statesmen opted for a strategy of talk and appeasement rather than facing the awful scope of the dangers gathering before their eyes.

That, of course, was then—and this is now. The analogy to the North Korean nuclear drama is imperfect. But the similarities between the two situations should give pause. The upcoming six-party talks in Beijing may be "merely" the third time that Pyongyang has sat down to discuss the current nuclear unpleasantness with China, Japan, Russia, South Korea and the U.S. But North Korea has, off and on, been involved in formal nuclear negotiations since the 1990 talks with Seoul, which led a year later to the North-South deal for the "denuclearization" of the Korean Peninsula.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 6waytalk; appeasement; kimjongil; nkorea; northkorea; nukes; skorea; us

1 posted on 06/16/2004 5:07:47 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: AmericanInTokyo; OahuBreeze; yonif; risk; nuconvert

Ping!


2 posted on 06/16/2004 5:08:55 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Grampa Dave; Carry_Okie; Rockpile; SevenofNine; DoctorMichael

Ping!


3 posted on 06/16/2004 5:09:21 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Jung-Il is on China's hit list. He will not make it to the end of the year.


4 posted on 06/16/2004 5:22:06 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Can you imagine something like "The International Study Commission and Symposium for Executive Action Against the Chairman of the Korean Workers Party and D.P.R.K. Head-of-State Kim Jong-il" being convened in Geneva or Brussels or some other international big wig conference city?
5 posted on 06/16/2004 5:27:56 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: Brilliant
Re #4

If Bush wins the next election, Kim Jong-il is as good as dead.

6 posted on 06/16/2004 5:28:29 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I don't think Bush will do it. He'll only put pressure on the Chinese to do it. I'm convinced that they've already tried and failed once. They move slow and methodically. It's just a matter of time before they take another shot at him.


7 posted on 06/16/2004 5:30:40 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
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What I meant is that, if Bush loses, China may drag her feet again. However, if he wins, China will follow through and finish Kim Jong-il. I am not implying that Americans will be directly involved.

8 posted on 06/16/2004 5:33:49 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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To: Brilliant

Have they worked out the line of succession? In other words, assassination is rather meaningless IMHO if the guy or the cabal who takes over, as they wipe up the blood on the floor, is the same or even worse, with respect to nukes and overall belicosity.


9 posted on 06/16/2004 5:35:31 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

OK, I can buy that. Kerry certainly would not put pressure on China to get the job done.

I thought it was pretty interesting, though, that China blew up the train and missed. Doesn't say too much for their competence. On top of that, they blew up some Syrian military personnel. Couldn't ask for better luck.


10 posted on 06/16/2004 5:36:35 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: AmericanInTokyo

If China is behind it, the successor will be someone who is not so problematic.


11 posted on 06/16/2004 5:37:30 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
Sheesh, the minute that Kerry had has hand on the Bible (or Koran or Kalil Gibran's books or astrological chart or whatever) on the Capitol steps, why he'd have the same sad DPRK team of Albright-Pritchard-Perry-Richardson-Berger in place and Kim would order up a couple of extra kipmujo girls to celebrate on their knees in P'yang. They would be breaking out the best cognac up there in those villas. We will be in a world of hurt and even more danger via instant appeasement.
12 posted on 06/16/2004 5:43:29 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: AmericanInTokyo
Can you imagine something like "The International Study Commission and Symposium for Executive Action Against the Chairman of the Korean Workers Party and D.P.R.K. Head-of-State Kim Jong-il" being convened in Geneva or Brussels or some other international big wig conference city?

ISCSEAACKWPHSKJI?

13 posted on 06/16/2004 5:48:47 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Three choices: War on Terror, submit to Islam, or die.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Or, if held in Tokyo (catch a long breath),

"Kita Chosen Rodoto So Shouki Oyobi Chosen Minshu Shugi Jinmin Kyowa Koku Shunou Kim Jong il no Ansatsu Keikaku Kokusai Kenkyu Junbi Iinkai"

14 posted on 06/16/2004 6:49:01 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (***Since The Iraq War & Transition Period Began, NORTH KOREA HAS MANUFACTURED (8) NUCLEAR WEAPONS***)
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To: TigerLikesRooster; All

I don't think Dubya going do miltary smackdown on Little Kim

He probably put squeeze on China get NOrth Korea stop run smack chat on the world

IF NOT

That when at last minute Dubya would lay smackdown


15 posted on 06/16/2004 9:58:03 AM PDT by SevenofNine ("Not everybody , in it, for truth, justice, and the American way,"=Det Lennie Briscoe)
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