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Microsoft Calls AdTI "Study" an "Unhelpful Distraction" (Microsoft FUD Goes Thud)
www.groklaw.com ^ | Monday, June 14 2004 @ 11:49 PM EDT | Pamela Jones

Posted on 06/14/2004 10:51:22 PM PDT by shadowman99

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To: ShadowAce
He wrote it. From scratch. Using ideas gleaned from book.

If he used a book, it wasn't from scratch. At least in my opinion, "from scratch" means with basically nothing pre-existing. According to his instructor Tannenbaum he used the existing Minix file structure, so it wasn't "from scratch", per my understanding of what that means.

21 posted on 06/15/2004 2:01:56 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
Then nothing you say, think, do, read, etc is from scratch. You can't even bake a cake "from scratch," since you'd be taking the knowledge and know-how from a recipe, or from the instruction of another.

Wanna know something else? All those programmers you claim to manage--they're all stealing someone else's code,or at least their ideas. Do you actually permit that?

Should I call the authorities and report you for plagiarism since you are using words someone else "invented?"

22 posted on 06/15/2004 2:09:02 PM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce
How about the distro name? Red Hat, SuSE, Debian, etc.

Because there's nothing common between those names when you want to speak of them collectively. Right now, "Linux" is it, if you want that changed, I'd suggest going with the existing movement to call it "GNU/Linux".

23 posted on 06/15/2004 2:10:54 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
.. in my opinion, "from scratch" means with basically nothing pre-existing.

Another common term re-defined.

So when your wife bakes a cake "from scratch", does she


24 posted on 06/15/2004 2:16:07 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ShadowAce
You can't even bake a cake "from scratch"

Sure you can, because baking is referring to the elements used, none were pre-mixed, all raw. Torvalds used an existing product to make his - the exact same ready made file system from Minix, or at least according to Tannenbaum, although I'm personally not that trusting of these guys over in Europe who clone US products and give them away for free.

25 posted on 06/15/2004 2:17:51 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: TechJunkYard

To be truly "from scratch", that's about what it would take, raw elements. My grandmother used to pretty much do all that except for the sugar. And that's the only way to get all the preservatives and other crap they add to things nowdays out of there - to literally make it from scratch.


26 posted on 06/15/2004 2:21:33 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: TechJunkYard

Let him have it his way. Using Golden Eagle's logic there could be no more software patents and no more copyrights. Because nobody acually creates anything, it's all learned from somewhere else.

This means Microsoft hasn't created anything either. After all, everyone who has ever worked for them went to school. Read Books. Studied other people's code. It's all so dirty!

Everyone who ever learned something from somewhere else is unable to exclusively claim ownership of invention.

Damn, Golden Eagle! You're quite the little commie!


27 posted on 06/15/2004 2:40:33 PM PDT by shadowman99
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To: shadowman99
Not one computer program in the universe has ever been written "from scratch" then.... because all them programmers have had that thar booklearnin'.
28 posted on 06/15/2004 3:00:36 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: shadowman99
Damn, Golden Eagle! You're quite the little commie!

I think you know you got that one wrong, LOL! I just don't see what the big deal is, very few operating systems were independently created, yet the Linux crowd has an aneurysm over admitting Linux is based on Unix, Posix, Minix, whatever. It obviously was, even Torvalds admits it, so you're right about one (1) thing, definitely time to move on!

29 posted on 06/15/2004 4:03:17 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: shadowman99

Bump to read later after the next "Star Trek" convention.


30 posted on 06/15/2004 4:09:08 PM PDT by Bluntpoint
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To: Happy2BMe

Hard to know. We do know this:

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http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=www.johnkerry.com

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.rnc.org

http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www.georgewbush.com


31 posted on 06/15/2004 4:25:43 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle

What relevance does this have, if any? FR runs on Linux. Certianly, you're not suggesting the management here are leftists or agents of the Chinese?


32 posted on 06/15/2004 4:33:45 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (No better friend, no worse enemy. Semper Fi)
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To: TechJunkYard; Golden Eagle
Note that computer languages are a derivatives of general human languages and we know that the sources of language are manifold. Lately we have found that even some species other than humans have language. Perhaps GE is descended from apes or birds (--> dinosaurs).

All of human IP may actually belong to many extinct species. Where does that leave M$ in claiming to have invented or, more likely bought the rights, to all al-gore-rithims known to (wo)man.

For a poster who has actually used a formula to explain a point, I believe that GE just likes to play dumb (uneducated, stupid etc.) for some, as yet unknown, purpose.

To be so pedantic about the use or non-use of of the word "invent" wrt to computer code is ridiculous.

Our task is to flush out the reason (not that it could possibly BE reasonable OR rational) for such behavior (maybe he's on the staff at AdTI as Brown's research assistant?).

33 posted on 06/15/2004 4:39:31 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argument)
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To: Liberal Classic; Golden Eagle

This point has been raised before without any response. IT is always met with silence or a change in subject.


34 posted on 06/15/2004 4:43:11 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Don't confuse disagreement with argument)
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To: Golden Eagle
And Golden Eagle has since admitted that, despite claims to the contrary, has never climbed Mt. Everest, and has recently freely admitted that fact to be true.

Why should we believe ANYTHING he has to say?

35 posted on 06/15/2004 4:48:22 PM PDT by Knitebane
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To: ShadowAce
I just installed Red Hat 9.0 AS 3 on an SMP machine for personal desktop use. I had installed RH 6.0 a while back but reverted to Win 2K when I had problems with application availability. But the new RH comes with enough bundled apps to keep most desktop users VERY happy (open office is an excellent office/productivity package). Unfortunately you do need to hunt around on the INTERNET for Linux compatible DVD, MPEG-2 and MP3 software but thats a small price to pay for an incredibly stable and efficient OS! KDE and Gnome offer some pretty amazing customizable features too. I've embraced the penguin!
36 posted on 06/15/2004 4:52:41 PM PDT by Huntingtonian
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To: Liberal Classic
What relevance does this have, if any?

He asked what software might world leaders be using, I showed him what the next President of the US is using, whoever that may be.

Certianly, you're not suggesting the management here are leftists or agents of the Chinese?

Of course not. Doesn't mean I don't wish they would switch to Solaris or another brand of Unix. Hopefully they will, they are some of the greatest people in the world, and I'd prefer to see them on something else. Like, say, what the RNC and GWB campaign is using. Nothing wrong with wishing that is there. Obviously not my decision though, nor do I presume it to be.

37 posted on 06/15/2004 5:06:35 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Paladin2
Perhaps GE is descended from apes or birds (--> dinosaurs)

If this is all you have to chime in, you might as well keep it to yourself. As to the rest of your post, it was ignored, being certainly worthless, anyway.

38 posted on 06/15/2004 5:08:37 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Huntingtonian
Unfortunately you do need to hunt around on the INTERNET for Linux compatible DVD, MPEG-2 and MP3 software

Mainly because that stuff is pirateware, isn't it? If not Red Hat would be carrying it in their complete distribution of GNU/Linux, don't you think?

39 posted on 06/15/2004 5:13:02 PM PDT by Golden Eagle
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To: Golden Eagle
No, it's because Red Hat doesn't want to violate any patents.
40 posted on 06/15/2004 5:39:01 PM PDT by TechJunkYard (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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