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I think this ultimately may cost the President his job - if it turnes out that civilian leaders in Washington approved certain interrigation tactics. Of course now that the Reagan week of mourning is over the press will get back to their usual programming of prison scandal 24/7.
1 posted on 06/13/2004 6:09:20 PM PDT by ejdrapes
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This is just more stupidity within the press, although enough people will not read closey what the article says and come to the same conclusions you did (no insult intended).

Read closely, and you will see it never mentions anything about the sexual abuse, and possible physical abuse, that got those soldiers and their immediate commanders in trouble.

This mentions sleep deprivation and uncomfortable positions, etc. These technqes have been allowed by international law forever. We have never used them for POWs, but these men are NOT POWs by both US and International/Geneva COnvention definations.

Lots of to do about nothing new, but headlines and 2 minute broadcasts will make it look like these leaked memos really men something.

On a related topic, I saw a heard a report the other day that said the prisoner abuse story is now the second most reported event in the New York Times' history (for the same number of days since it broke); only 9/11 beats it out. Wow, that means, acoording to the NYTs, it is a more important issue than the Civil War, WWI, the Depression, Pearl Harbor, WWII, Nuclear Bombs, the Fall of the Berlin Wall and the breakup of the Soviet Union. More important the Kenndy's assassination, Vietnam, Nixon's Resignation, Man on the Moon, the Automobile, Flight, the discovery of the Cure for Polio...I think you get the point.

Amazing. Absolutely amazing.

Good grief...makes one fear for the future of this county.


52 posted on 06/13/2004 7:52:40 PM PDT by Proud Legions
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For weeks now (this spin--I speak of what I'm about to outline, not the Abu Ghraib revelations, which happened well before, started when my daughter was still in school and the last day was May 20) the media and liberals have attempted to mix apples and oranges.

There was a rogue group at Abu Ghraib. In no way, shape or form did the administration condone or approve or authorize that behavior.

That business is being mixed up with other unrelated (and unapproved) actions where there may have been misbehavior or outright criminal behavior by a guard or two, and combined with memos authorizing certain interrogation techniques, and being served up as a soup of deceit saying "the administration approved prison abuse".

They certainly did not and it will not cost the president his job. That is absurd and the crime would be if that were to happen through such abetting of the outrageous presentation being made here by the media.

It would be nice if Freepers could get it straight and worked on decrying this attempt to bring down a good and decent man (or whoever in his administration they can manage) instead of handwringing or implicitly approving of such.


55 posted on 06/13/2004 8:05:58 PM PDT by cyncooper
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As I understand it some yahoo tried to take procedures that were working real well in Gitmo & apply them to Abu Ghraib using lesser yahoos.

I don't have the least bit of problem with imposing discomfort on terrorist, or culture shock such as being pushed around by female guards to help break up domestic al Queda cells which I understand was being done at Gitmo. Actually, I'd be rather upset if they weren't using these measures.

Also, I can recognize that the President could approve methods that were working in one place and have someone screw them up someplace else.

Of course, the press is going to try to use this to bring Dubya down just as they tried to use Iran-Contra agains Reagan.

What occurred in Abu Ghraid was despicable, counter-productive and probably got us squat in the way of intelligence. And I'm confident that neither the President nor any high-ranking official approved the sex games.

67 posted on 06/13/2004 8:38:24 PM PDT by Tribune7
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The Daily Telegraph is on our side, too. The Guardian will take this to the moon.


68 posted on 06/13/2004 9:01:00 PM PDT by gcruse (http://gcruse.typepad.com/)
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"I think this ultimately may cost the President his job ..." ejdrapes

Frankly, when it comes to terrorists, I don't care if the bastards are tortured to death to save American lives, but it has been proven that torture obtained information is notoriously unreliable. What the leftist world (and American media whores) press is seeking is a change of administration before the full truth of French, German, etc. aiding and abetting Saddam is revealed to the world. The U.N. goons are scared sh!tless that their graft and corruption in cooperating with Saddam and terrorism will snatch the gravy train from under their degenerate butts. It is a sure bet that frogman Jack Crack's crimes in aiding Saddam to develop weaponry in direct violation of U.N. sanctions will never be revealed if U.N. and French ass kissing John Feckless Kerry is elected President. Our nation will not survive a democrat return to power before the war on terrorism gets further down the 'win' road.

74 posted on 06/13/2004 9:42:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Interrogation abuses were 'approved at highest levels'

I should hope so! Although I would quibble with the word "abuses".

I wonder if these wonderfully moral critics question their surgeons as thoroughly. Or distract them as efficiently from performing their jobs.

75 posted on 06/13/2004 9:50:19 PM PDT by Publius6961 (I don't do diplomacy either.)
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