Posted on 06/13/2004 5:21:31 PM PDT by az4vlad
http://www.narth.com/docs/normalization.html
Presents an article about the "historical debate which culminated in the 1973 decision to remove homosexuality from the psychiatric manual."
National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality
http://www.narth.com/index.html
The Three Myths About Homosexuality
http://www.narth.com/menus/myths.html
One quote from "Myths" which is frightening:
"A 1992 study in Pediatrics found that 25.9% of 12-year-olds are uncertain if they are gay or straight. The teen years are critical to the question of self-labeling, so the facts must be presented in our schools in a fair and balanced manner. "
Mentally defaulting on the perpetuation of self is a dirt-road cul-de-sac.
I know quite a few gay people, some are family members of mine, and NONE of them has a gay agenda. They live quietly and never even mention being gay. They don't go to protests, they don't hold hands or kiss in public. I think the quiet law abiding ones are the majority. They certainly are in the cases of the ones I know well. They keep to themselves. They have no desire to mess with religious freedom or even marriage. They only ask to be left alone.
Must be like all the good Muslims. Funny how you rarely hear them speak out against the jihadis.
It's actually a bad analogy and I won't use it anymore, because I'm sure there ARE good, decent Muslims who just want to worship God in their traditional way and don't want to force Islam on everyone else.
The problem with your statement:
You're extrapolating the few people you personally know and then making a generalization from that. In order to find out if your generalization is right, you need to read and study about the "gay" agenda. Have you? There's more information on FR in one place than just about anywhere else on the 'net.
If you had studied (without prior bias) you would see that there is, indeed, a radical "gay" agenda.
In fact, the evidence is voluminous that there is indeed a radical homosexual plan - as evidenced in "After the Ball" - written in the late 80s by a two homosexuals - the influence society to suit them.
If you don't want to inform youself, you're welcome to stay ill-informed. But your opinion will reveal you to be the homosexual supporter that I am afraid you are.
Have you ever read any articles or books by Tammy Bruce? If you haven't, do FR search. She's a homosexual who admits the existence of the "gay" agenda and decries it, for the very reasons I do.
Homosexual Agenda Ping - Just bookmarked this; don't have time to read it at the moment. Looks very very good. I'm going to have to get this book.
OK, we need to get it straightened out - is there a radical "gay" agenda or not? If anyone spends some time reading the Categorical Index of articles on homosexuality that Scripter has organized and EdReform puts up links to, they will know the answer.
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I'm sure there are good, decent people of all religions who just want to workship God in their traditional way and don't want to force their religion on everyone else, but do you suppose the gays think there is a radical religious agenda of suppression and exclusion?
It is clear to anyone who has read much of the info here on FR (or where it was originally sourced) that the homosexual agenda pushers - whether they be practitioners or merely their supporters - want to dismbowel religion or change the nature of the message.
Homosexual activists have clearly stated themselves that they want to dismantle the moral foundation of society and change the very meaning of marriage, family, and what is acceptable in sexual behavior. They have stated that they want to change children's minds about sexual orientation from kindergarten and are actively pursuing that goal now, with "gay" friendly cirrcula, clubs, special classes, teaching seminars and so on.
Now what was your question?
An important point about the "gay agenda" is that early in the homosexual movement, circa 1970, activists were already promoting what has proved to be their most powerful weapon: "coming out of the closet". The logic is inescapable -- by being willing to publicly declare their sexual "orientation", they could convince themselves if not other people that it is not a shameful thing to be homosexual. But the real effectiveness of this strategy is that it made people think of homosexuals, not as a furtive, mentally disturbed category of people, but instead as their neighbors, friends and relatives. Research shows that people who are personally acquainted with homosexuals or lesbians are more likely to be personally tolerant or accepting of homosexuals and lesbians, and more likely to support same-sex marriage and other legal or political goals of homosexual activists.
"...do you suppose the gays think there is a radical religious agenda of suppression and exclusion?"
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If homosexuals think that there is a radical religious agenda of suppression and exclusion, that is evidence that they are seriously incapable of rational thought, know nothing of history, don't understand hygiene, the spread of illness, the inherent dangers of same sex sodomy and promiscuity, and are focused solely on their sexual proclivities to the exclusion of everything and everyone else.
If someone actually thinks that, he or she is actually very mentally ill. To have as the entire focus of one's life the method whereby one achieves orgasm (and a very nasty way at that) and to view everything in the world through the lens of that method of achieving orgasm, is utterly selfish, miserable, and by its very nature, the narrowest and most exclusionist of viewpoints.
Darned but you are right about that. Drinks were colder, lasted longer and calories/carbs and sugar didn't matter. Cruising the hamburger joints and going to "record hops" was all we cared about. I wish our children and grandchildren had gotten the same kind of kinder gentler world. Bum deal for them and for us!
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While my experience with homosexuals is similar to yours, this does not invalidate the work of the authors of the book.
If you think that their work is flawed, you have to prove it--and given their definitions of the terms, it looks a lot like they are correct.
Gays may think that because the truth is at odds with sin. Anytime someone immersed in a particular vice hears the truth they think it is hate. Truth is hate, to those who hate the truth.
<< Must be like all the good Muslims. Funny how you rarely hear them speak out against the jihadis.
It's actually a bad analogy and I won't use it anymore .... >>
No it is not, it is the perfect analogy.
And that's too bad because it fits like a glove.
My sodomist friends, those, that is, who having so far lucked out in the permitting someone to give them HIV/AIDS crapshoot -- and are still alive -- are also sitting out the terroristic Sodonazi assault on our nation -- and on our Civilization -- just as are the several hundred million Islamonazis with whom they are effectively very very very closely allied.
And bear in mind that much much much more evil is allowed, facilitated, enabled and effected by those who do nothing but sit and wait than could be perpetrated in ten lifetimes apiece by Human History's Hitlers, Hirohitos, Hillary KKKli'toons, Ho Chi Mins, J F'in' Kohnkerrys, Pol Pots, Mao Tze Tungs, Marxs, Lenins and Joe Stalins.
In the fight to the finish for our very survival in which both our Nation and our Civilization are presently engaged there are no shades of gray and they are either with US -- or they ARE the enemy.
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