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All in all, the UK is turning around and facing the EU with a snarl. Lovely.

You can read more about the UKIP here:

The UK Independence Party
The 5 Essential Freedoms

Regards, Ivan


1 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:10 AM PDT by MadIvan
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Ping!


2 posted on 06/13/2004 3:41:30 AM PDT by MadIvan (Ronald Reagan - proof positive that one man can indeed change the world.)
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The article should say England, not Britain. Ukip has had no success in Scotland.


4 posted on 06/13/2004 3:45:52 AM PDT by Carcharodon
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To: MadIvan

Of course the EU Socialists will claim Bush has used the Dangerous American Brain Ray Machine on innocent Britains!


6 posted on 06/13/2004 3:47:44 AM PDT by Dallas59
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To: MadIvan

Interesting how a true multi-party system makes as few as 20% of voters a powerful bloc who have a voice in guiding their nation.


9 posted on 06/13/2004 3:52:48 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (06/07/04 - 1000 days since 09/11/01)
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To: MadIvan; KangarooJacqui; Piefloater; Atlantic Friend; Michael81Dus; ItsonlikeDonkeyKong

Most Europeans I know, including some Irish, are saying that the EU is a great idea and will just make everything easier. When I reveal my apprehension about loss of sovereignty they thumb their noses and say that I'm talking about Empire. It isn't all about convenience, though, is it? There are serious problems with the constitution, centralizing of authority, loss of true independence, and a homogenizing of culture coming with the EU. I'm interesting to hear your thoughts, MI. And it's great to see you back online. FR is all the better with you participating.


13 posted on 06/13/2004 4:19:03 AM PDT by risk ("They're casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society." --MT)
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To: MadIvan

If they are unable to report poll results, how is it that they are allowed to report 'forecasts'.....or are they like our own media?


15 posted on 06/13/2004 4:31:00 AM PDT by OldFriend (LOSERS quit when they are tired/WINNERS quit when they have won)
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To: MadIvan
Twenty percent for the UKIP would be a great result.

It may well have far reaching effects on the European politics in general. The 17-18th June the leaders of the EU nations are convening to try and get an agreement on the European "Constitution".

With Blair already having promised a referendum, and a dismal result for Labour and other eu-philes in the EU elections, even the eurocrats will find it impossible to find a compromise ("weasel wording") that would allow Blair to win a referendum.

If Britain is seen to say no, that will add increased impetus to skeptics in other countries. Denmark will have a referendum and they will most likely vote a resounding no. Also, the Dutch are going to have referendum and it is not at all certain that they will accept a further devolution of powers to the EU. There are other countries as well (Poland, the Czechs come to mind) where a referendum would result in no.

So, as I see it the eucrates have two possibilities; either scrap the constitution, but that would lead to increased call for a repeal of the acquis communitaire (ie more power to the nations), or they try to force through a constitution against the will of the peoples in many EU nations. That will lead to a political crisis, which may end up with a core EU, probably consisting of France, Germany, Belgium, and maybe Luxembourg and Italy. The rest of the countries will be loosely associated in a some kind of looser connection like Norway and Switzerland are now.

I also hope this will help the eu-skeptics in the Tory party to gain the upper hand - and to reintroduce free market thinking and belief in Britain in the Tory party.

No more "Heaths" or "Majors", please.

ScaniaBoy
26 posted on 06/13/2004 6:39:19 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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Ivan forgive me for having to ask but I have had a difficult time discerning exactly what this all means to Conservatives.

What is the big pictures here?
Have 'Conservatives' [I don't know the party affiliations] taken power?
Is everything basically the same with some small shifts?

What's really going on here?
32 posted on 06/13/2004 9:26:39 AM PDT by VaBthang4 ("He who watches over Israel will neither slumber nor sleep")
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To: MadIvan
I've never completely understood the structure of the U.K. The best I can tell, Scotland, Northern Ireland, and England are something equivalent to our various US states, but every now and then something comes up that indicates more autonomy.

I don't get it.

34 posted on 06/13/2004 9:39:43 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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