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Florida Voting Machines Have Recount Flaw
AP ^ | Saturday June 12, 2004 7:49pm

Posted on 06/12/2004 5:32:12 PM PDT by Jean S

TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP) - Touchscreen voting machines in 11 counties have a software flaw that could make manual recounts impossible in November's presidential election, state officials said.

A spokeswoman for the secretary of state called the problems "minor technical hiccups" that can be resolved, but critics allege voting officials wrongly certified a voting system they knew had a bug.

The electronic voting machines are a response to Florida's 2000 presidential election fiasco, where thousands of punchcard ballots were improperly marked. But the new machines have brought concerns that errors could go unchecked without paper records of the electronic voting.

The machines, made by Election Systems & Software of Omaha, Neb., fail to provide a consistent electronic "event log" of voting activity when asked to reproduce what happened during the election, state officials said.

Officials with the company and the state Division of Elections said they believe they can fix the problem by linking the voting equipment with laptop computers. Florida's two largest counties - Miami-Dade and Broward - are among those affected by the flaws.

Rep. Robert Wexler, D-Fla., has asked state Attorney General Charlie Crist to investigate whether the head of the state elections division lied under oath when he denied knowing of the computer problem before reading about it in the media. A spokeswoman for Crist said he was reviewing the request.

The elections chief, Ed Kast, abruptly resigned Monday, saying he wanted a change of pace.

Hood blamed Miami-Dade Supervisor of Elections Constance Kaplan for the delay, telling Kaplan in a May 13 letter she should have notified state officials when she learned of the problem in June 2003.

Nonetheless, state and county election officials insist the problem can be resolved in the five months before the November election.

"These are minor technical hiccups that happen," said Hood spokeswoman Nicole DeLara. "No votes are lost, or could be lost."

Wexler and coalition members said they want to know how the state can be sure that glitches will not prevent elections officials from even detecting computer malfunctions.

"How do you know that any votes were lost if your audit is wrong?" asked Lida Rodriguez-Taseff, chairwoman of the Miami-Dade coalition.

State officials say there is no need for recounts, or an audit trail, with the touchscreen system because it was designed to prevent people from voting in the same race more than once - an overvote - and provide multiple alerts to voters to warn them when they are skipping a race - an undervote.

They emphasize that the "glitch" in the touchscreen machines occurs when the audit is done after the election, not when the tally sheet is printed in each precinct when polls close.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: election2004; electronicvoting; florida; fraud; recount; vote
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1 posted on 06/12/2004 5:32:12 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: JeanS
State officials say there is no need for recounts, or an audit trail, with the touchscreen system because it was designed to prevent people from voting in the same race more than once - an overvote - and provide multiple alerts to voters to warn them when they are skipping a race - an undervote.

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain...

2 posted on 06/12/2004 5:34:41 PM PDT by sionnsar (Ronald Reagan: Not all the good die young... ||| Trad Anglicans: http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/)
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"State officials say there is no need for recounts, or an audit trail, with the touchscreen system because it was designed to prevent people from voting in the same race more than once - an overvote - and provide multiple alerts to voters to warn them when they are skipping a race - an undervote."

That's simply not the conclusion that should be drawn. Recounts aren't just to counter overvotes or undervotes. In fact, that's not even a large reason to have them.


3 posted on 06/12/2004 5:39:19 PM PDT by OneTimeLurker
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To: JeanS

If thought chads caused a problem, wait until unexpected bug shows up on election day.


4 posted on 06/12/2004 5:40:44 PM PDT by Rebelbase (AKA gassybrowneyedbum)
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To: JeanS

"Step right up, folks! watch me throw the ring around the bottles. see how easy that is?! Move over, there's room for everyone. How many rings you want for the little lady,sir/".....Oh, it's going to be a real side show come Nov. PRAY for W.


5 posted on 06/12/2004 5:40:49 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)
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To: JeanS
The electronic voting machines are a response to Florida's 2000 presidential election fiasco, where sore loser Democrats alleged thousands of punchcard ballots were improperly marked.

There. Better.

6 posted on 06/12/2004 5:41:20 PM PDT by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: JeanS
ANY all-electronic system is going to be subverted and all such elections WILL be fraudulent.Electronic reading of PHYSICAL ballots allows human checking .

SOME things are too important for computers.

7 posted on 06/12/2004 5:42:48 PM PDT by hoosierham
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To: JeanS
They just don't want to get a clue. The best systems are the cards that you mark with an indelible pen in the circle next to the candidate's name or name and picture, then run through the optical reader. No "chads" and a hard-copy ballot in case of recount. PA already lost "ether-votes" into "cyber-space" in the last election in a predominantly Republican district in the 2000 election because of a "glitch" in a server.
8 posted on 06/12/2004 5:44:20 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("Only one life to live and soon it is past, and only what was done for Jesus Christ shall last")
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To: JeanS
Florida's 2000 presidential election fiasco

Correction to liberal media bias: Florida's 2000 presidential election near fiasco

9 posted on 06/12/2004 5:48:55 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: JeanS
Sheesh.

5.56mm

10 posted on 06/12/2004 5:53:22 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Reeses

No, it really was a fiasco.

On the other hand, I see no reason to think that a different voting system would have made it any less of a fiasco. It wasn't close because of bad voting machines, it was close because it was close, and Gore was prepared in advance to make a fiasco out of any close election which he lost. Had it not been chads, he would have filed suit on some other spurious grounds.


11 posted on 06/12/2004 5:59:16 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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The voting machines will be considered faulty until
  1. any non-vote is automatically checked as dem
  2. every dem vote counts twice
  3. all dead men automatically vote dem
  4. no military ballots are recognized

12 posted on 06/12/2004 6:00:13 PM PDT by watchin (Democratic Party - the political wing of the IRS)
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To: JeanS

Offering up prayers for the Democrats who don't know their ass from a hole in the ground.


13 posted on 06/12/2004 6:00:54 PM PDT by RedBloodedAmerican
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How do you know that any votes were lost if your audit is wrong

The old "you can't prove a negative" argument form. But I think the answer has something to do with trees falling and vacant forests.

14 posted on 06/12/2004 6:03:12 PM PDT by ArmstedFragg
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The Dems will bitch about any system they cannot manipulate to their advantage. I will challenge anyone here to come up with a foolproof system that people in three South-Florida counties can't screw-up. As for the rest of the state there is no problem because the folks there know how to vote.


15 posted on 06/12/2004 6:05:23 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican

Amen!~!


16 posted on 06/12/2004 6:09:26 PM PDT by Neets
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To: sionnsar
State officials say there is no need for recounts, or an audit trail, with the touchscreen system because it was designed to prevent people from voting in the same race more than once - an overvote - and provide multiple alerts to voters to warn them when they are skipping a race - an undervote.

With the touchscreen system, does a person have to place a vote in each election?

17 posted on 06/12/2004 6:17:03 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: ScottFromSpokane
Uh, does it matter that it wasn't Gore who sued, or is accuracy immaterial.

Every legal vote should be counted, once.

19 posted on 06/12/2004 6:23:44 PM PDT by UncleJeff
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Just out of morbid curiosity, who do you think sued?


20 posted on 06/12/2004 6:24:38 PM PDT by ScottFromSpokane (Re-elect President Bush: http://spokanegop.org/bush.html)
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