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To: carton253; Mudboy Slim; Happy2BMe; Quix; joanie-f; sultan88; Landru; jla; Mia T; MeekOneGOP; ...
Carton 253: "Now the two civilizations are not Islam and Christianity. It is Islam versus everyone else.
..."Peace in Islam can exist only within the Islamic world; peace can only be between Muslim and Muslim. To those who are not Muslim, there in only one solution - either domination or a cease-fire until the Muslim can grow strong enough to dominate."


BINGO!!! Carton nailed it.
- Mudboy Slim: Give Carton 253 a cigar, for the correct answer to the question. In fact: give him a whole carton! :^D

The question: "What is the cause and the motive behind Islamic terrorism?

It isn't because of the Palestinians, it isn't that Arabs are poor, it isn't because we are a decadent society with homsexual marriage, our meddling in their affairs, etc. And contrary to what our honorable President Bush says; It's not because they "hate our freedom."
(I used to subscribe to that theory as well.)
None of that is the reason... all that nonsense is just WINDOW DRESSING for Islamo-apologists, and the anti-American LEFT!

Now here below, is Ibn Warraq's statement on this issue.
It is EXACTLY what carton 253 just related.
- Mud, pay attention now, ya hear? :)
Warraq WAS an Arab Muslim, so he knows what in the heck he is talking about:


Ibn Warraq- "The [Islamic]world is divided into two spheres, Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb. The latter, the Land of Warfare, is a country belonging to infidels which has not been subdued by Islam. The Dar al-Harb becomes the Dar-al Islam, the Land of Islam, upon the promulgation of the edicts of Islam. Thus the totalitarian nature of Islam is nowhere more apparent than in the concept of Jihad, the Holy War, whose ultimate aim is to conquer the entire world and submit it to the one true faith, to the law of Allah. To Islam alone has been granted the truth: there is no possibility of salvation outside it. Muslims must fight and kill in the name of Allah.

"We read- "Those who die fighting for the only true religion, Islam, will be amply rewarded in the life to come:"

*Sura* IV.74: “Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God’s path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.”

Warraq- "It is surely time for us who live in the West and enjoy freedom of expression to examine unflinchingly and unapologetically the tenets of these fanatics, including the Qur’an which divinely sanctions violence. We should unapologetically examine the life of the Prophet, who was not above political assassinations, and who was responsible for the massacre of the Jews."

“Ah, but you are confusing Islam with Islamic fundamentalism? The Real Islam has nothing to do with violence,” apologists of Islam argue.

Ibn Warraq-
"There may be moderate Muslims, but Islam itself is not moderate. There is no difference between Islam and Islamic fundamentalism: at most there is a difference of degree but not of kind. All the tenets of Islamic fundamentalism are derived from the Qur’an, the Sunna, and the **Hadith** – Islamic fundamentalism is a totalitarian construct derived by Muslim jurists from the fundamental and defining texts of Islam. The fundamentalists, with greater logic and coherence than so-called moderate or liberal Muslims, have made Islam the basis of a radical utopian ideology."

*Sura means chapter.
**Hadith means tradition.

Ibn Warraq's website on testimonials of EX- Muslims , many of whom have had their lives threatened for leaving the faith

141 posted on 06/21/2004 2:08:27 PM PDT by FBD (...Please press 2 for English...for Espanol, please stay on the line...)
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To: FBD

OF COURSE!

I thought everyone knew that!

Except, maybe, our fearless leader--though he may feel constrained to soften that awareness for diplomatic reasons. A dubious enterprise, at best, to me.


142 posted on 06/21/2004 2:33:04 PM PDT by Quix (Choose this day whom U will serve: Shrillery & demonic goons or The King of Kings and Lord of Lords)
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To: FBD

I don't think a thread about Reagan's funeral is the place for this....however, since you insist on pinging........

"There may be moderate Muslims,..."

Not Maybe >> ARE. And LOTS of Them. And that's the point.

Case closed.


144 posted on 06/21/2004 2:49:26 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: FBD
What you call window dressing - I call pretext... lots of pretexts floating around...but pretexts are not the reason.

The reason is Islam...

As you know, Islam is a conquering religion. It was to be propagated through conquest. Mohammed spread it throught conquest...so did the his followers after his death...

The "glory" of Islam found it covering the territory from Spain to the Phillipines and on the verge of conquering Europe... it has slowly been pushed back.

But once a territory has been conquered for Islam it forever belongs to Islam...so the areas that have been "reconquered" by that other civilization is still Islam.

Bin Ladin is true to Islam's destiny. To conquer and dominate the world. That is inherent in the Qu'ran. The fact that Islam has been retreating since the middle ages shows not a civilization in decline, but to the jihadist, a people in backsliding heresy. That's why the Wahabbis take the war to other Muslims. They have not obeyed the idicts of their religion. The jihadists must, to be fully obedient to the full intent of Allah's idict, rise up and conquer in the name of Islam. Both the territory that they have lost and those territories that have yet to conquered. The United States stands as the citadel for the unconquered. That's why they hate us. Because to obey fully, the United States must be gotten out of the way. Either physically or crushing our will to fight. That is what Bin Ladin is trying to accomplish.

The real Islam is full of violence.

Now, the question is do all Muslims believe or accept that part of Islam? It would be like asking do all Christians believe the full scope of the Bible. There are those who do and those who don't.

145 posted on 06/21/2004 2:50:53 PM PDT by carton253 (Re: The Reagan Presidency: Not bad. Not bad at all.)
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To: FBD

BUMP!


159 posted on 06/22/2004 12:10:56 AM PDT by F14 Pilot (John ''Fedayeen" sKerry - the Mullahs' regime candidate)
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