Posted on 06/11/2004 8:53:30 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback
I'll be the first to admit I have failed in this, many times right here on the pages of FR. In this week, as we bury Reagan, let us strive to be like him: Charitable with our enemies, but charity and goodwill backed up with an iron will.
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Isn't it funny how no one ever provides an example of such a "moral absolute truth"?
Here's one: It is always, without exception, absolutely positively immoral to hijack airliners full of passengers and fly them into skyscrapers.
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example of such a "moral absolute truth"?
lying is wrong
stealing is wrong
sex outside of marriage is wrong
............for starters.
Really?
Have you never heard of the Ten Commandments?
They've been in the news the last few years.
Even so-called relativists have their own absolutes (see books like THE NEW ABSOLUTES). "Celebrate diversity," "separation of church and state," "Thou shalt not censor," "don't be homophobic," and many others are all part of the Liberal Moral Code--a tattered rag they pull out to whip anyone who dares look cross-eyed at their sacrosanct humanistic commandments.
Just use the exact same language they use & say "Why are you trying to impose your absolutist, moral values on KKKers, theocrats, book-burners, and homophobes? I thought you were inclusive and that your philosophy embraced a big tent and that these other folks simply wear different stripes and colors to the rainbow counsel flag you porport to fly."
Would you lie to the Nazi's if you were concealing jews in your attic?
stealing is wrong
Would you steal the secrets of the latest ChiCom-manufactured plague?
sex outside of marriage is wrong
That's just silly.
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You want an example? Here's a few:
"Thou shalt not murder"
"Thou shalt not steal"
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor"
any problem with these?
Yes.
Amen.
Yesterday there was a very interesting discussion on this very topic - absolutes vs no absolutes - here's one of my replies, and a link to the thread if anyone wants to check it out.
(I soundly defeated "counterpunch" whose first comment declared his atheism. It was a rather gentlemanly debate, but heated.)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1150953/posts?page=293#293
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To: nathanbedford
Your comments and chilepeppers are very observant and go to the heart of the matter. That's why there is such a huge divide in the nation (indeed, the world). There are two opposing world views:
1. The universe and everything in it is accidental, there is no God or superior spiritual force in control. Therefore there is no meaning or purpose other than what each person invents for themselves. And for persons who view their existence as ultimately meaningless, as tiny specks adrift in an empty universe, ready to get snuffed out at any minute, the only real purpose is to gratify the desires of the ego and senses. Dog eat dog becomes the actual driving force for such people.
2. God exists, He is the author of all that is, and is the generator of all existences. He created everything and everyone for a purpose. Generally religions express that purpose as being the reunion of the lost souls with God in love for eternity. People who hold to this world view see the purpose of their existence as meaningful and larger than their own personal desires or ego.
293 posts?page=293 posted on 06/10/2004 12:04:41 PM PDT by little jeremiah
If there are no moral absolutes, then on what basis do you have any rights at all?
If someone murdered your child, THEN would you have a problem with it?
True. And it's a good rule of thumb for most erroneous modernist ideologies. They never turn the gun on themselves.
"We can't know anything for sure." A: Well, what about your statement?
"There is no absolute truth." A: Is your statement true?
"There is no absolute moral truth." A: Is it good to believe this?
"Truth is relative to its historical context." A: Is your claim relative to its historical context?
Etc., ad infinitum.
(can't wait to hear this one....)
Thomas Payne "These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in the crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly; 'tis dearness only that gives everything it's value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price on it's goods; and it would be strange indeed, if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated."
Lying is wrong, except to save lives or protect virtue.
Stealing is wrong, except to save lives or protect virtue.
Or in some cases, protect property.
If you want to defend sexual immorality as being a private and public good, it's up to you to provide arguments in favor of same.
The huge rise in divorce, abortion, STD's what to speak of AIDS, homosexual indoctrination of children, burgeoning porn industry + people becoming enslaved by it (evidence of enslavement are the organizations dedicated to helping them become free), children born illegimately (current about 1/3 of all children in the US) are some of my arguments against sexual immorality.
Have any counter arguments in favor of sexual immorality? Can you say that all of the above are GOOD things?
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