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Posted on 06/10/2004 2:28:29 PM PDT by JustPiper
Hijacked? Balderdash.
But since BearWash's excellent points and reasoning . . .
uhhhh seem to have little currency with you or influence on your perspective, I guess I have nothing better to add.
BTW, I see the thread still as in great shape. Many things ebb and flow--including, as BearWash noted--hard data on terrorism.
But hey, a number of animals masticate the same stuff over and over. Be my guest!
This is getting a little specious. How are published news reports from major print sources "chat"? Because Laby's value judgments make them so?
And to characterize the thread as "going in my direction" is just stupid. If you look at my 1000+ posts on FR how many of them are about meteors? Maybe .01%?
If you want more hard terrorism information POST IT! We're all eagerly waiting to see it.
I knew I had overlooked something. : >)
NOW WAIT A DURN MINUTE!
I have many 100's of loved ones in Taiwan. And a few in Israel.
Both have rights to determine their own freedoms and survivability.
Sheesh.
Aren't we conservatives here--in support of freedom, democracy and the American way? Taiwan has most of the earmarks of a USA State, much to the consternation of Beijing.
After me posting one email i found, why am i being asked to silence myself? You say I am "new". Define new, I've been watching this list ever since it's origins and am as interested and caught up in this as the rest of you. Wow, maybe after I am a regged freeper I will have some sort of credibility in your eyes. Fine. Instead of wasting YOUR valuable space with information I find interesting, how about every 30minutes I post a "PLACEMARK" Just so I know where I am, buddy!
get a grip, now is not the time to be telling people on the same thread to be quiet, epsecially on the cause of someone being "NEW" mr all high and mighty and "OLDSKOOL!"
-sw.
Nah,
1. I think I'd have felt a thrill in my spirit.
2. Certainly FREEPERS would have been reporting--at lest from GITMO!
LOL.
THX
(It sounds to me like these nuts are expecting a cataclysmic event in the near term. A farewell of sorts???)
http://www.homelandsecurity.net
* * the chaos is coming * * * what make¿
6-17-2004
The examination of the future with the knowledge of history and ways
He is about to from he observes the states of society and nation it asserts the occurrence of a thing from the divine punishment because of a verification lots of enjoining this punishment .And this is not a shrine the discussion of these Sunna kinds and the proofs on them from the Book and the Sunna but we report a more important what think that it is enjoining on the ÇáÑÈÇäí torture which thinks it achieved in our society :
The first positive is this injustice that spread by a degree until became an organizing establishing injustice it is about to that penetrates each enterprise in the country, and worse than that that the lifting enterprises of injustice and the restoration of rights became to its family part of the injustice establishment project and its settlement .
The second positive is these supported apparent evils and that the ruler practices with his authority and his power or individuals practice it from Almtnfthin and the ruler protects them .
The third positive is the jihad lowest degree hindrance and he is the fight of the payment and the transfer of the religious and political state institutions and the security one to allied forces with the nation enemies against the one(s) who suggests for it himself by the idea of the application of the jihad of the request .
The fourth positive the luxury and the ungratefulness and put the blessing of God in not its place instead of its thankfulness and the collection of the money with the unlawful and its expenditure on the unlawful and the boast of it in front of the poor the incapable and she is prevalent and stable matters in our countries .
The examination of the future with the knowledge of the events
The challenges that face the nation and have entered now one of these challenges the situations dangerous and all of the scenarios are possible, and the person himself may find in the confrontation of an occupying American in an open way and a direct or finds himself in the confrontation of occupied other power, or he may find himself amidst a disagreement between the National Guards and the army or may find himself amidst a country without a central authority and the services have stopped from waters and an electricity and contacts .
Why we get ready
Because the ruling regime did not prepare us for the readiness for this chaos and it did not allow to us that we think of it and did not allow the elite or the selection for the understanding between in an independent way for the readiness for this chaos . This politics from the country established the method of dependence and inattentiveness at the people and incited to the avoidance of the thought with the chaos, but the state at some followed a consideration all who advises on the readiness for the chaos and as if it is a reason for the chaos himself . This with that most world countries that respect their nations and who throughout centuries in them detailed emergencies plans and organizations related to the interaction with the emergencies circumstances enjoy .
How we arrange the society a civilian
The chaos is coming
What make¿
1 -The enlightenment that the chaos is coming
No escape starting from that we warn the nation that there is a big probability that the chaos surprises us and we not ready to it . And no escape from that each one from the people feels that he is responsible himself and that the case his case is self and the others case and no field are not for the avoidance of the disasters except with the complete readiness for the way of the interaction with this case . And on all who faces the call or the reformist work that it shows to the nation that the linking of its fate to the family is by the current form and the absence of the civil enterprises and the society dispersed culturally a subject Gaha that it enters the chaos easily an extreme and becomes the captive of the criminals and the blocking of the way or the supported opportunists from the world powers .
2 -The spreading of the organization culture
In an activity parallel to the enlightenment of the nation that the danger is coming and that the country politics pays for it that pushed no escape from that we seek the enlightenment of the nation with the necessity of the organization and its vitality . And on the resisters to this task they should show that the arrangement Waltnnzim not an easy case it is settled in the chaos day but it is necessary that the people learns this culture from now and are trained in its parts until if was in that a confrontation with the system and a security danger then the derived department is older than the risk responsibilities .
3 -Contact instrument and a media
In a moment of the chaos and the disasters the society needs who directs it to the suitable behaviour and especially in the period of the first shock . And whenever the pioneers were delayed the entrusted from the arrangement of the society affair whenever the chance of saboteurs and opportunists and the criminals increased from the seizure of the reins of power . And the achievement of a direction does not be possible to the society except by an effective media instrument like the radio and the television . And the need for this instrument is urgent even before the occurrence of the chaos and that for the sake of be that the people is used to it and to its credibility and learn what came about its way entrusted and a pass . And therefore, a support or the arrangement of any instrument like this become a main matter in the readiness for the interaction with this danger .
4 -The patience and the other acceptance
In a moment of the chaos and the disasters is necessary for the social commands that they avoid the homelands of the disagreement in subsidiary or discretionary cases and their chest broadens what the chest does not broaden to it in the times of calm and discipline . And the truth, it as long as the chaos is not distant by the political measures, it is necessary for these commands that they follow the gathering way and the rejection of the disagreement from now and it deals with the effective powers in the country the interaction of coalition and cooperation and the integration . And while are except the powers hostile to the religion and the powers accused of the treason that is impossible that it is entrusted, all who accepts the axioms and the greatest constants it is assimilated and does not insist on it in the details and the subsidiary ones .
Important matters very
à - the chaos means that we die a thirst
Perhaps no knows many and have been used to the witnessing of comfort and rest that the chaos means that the large cities citizens are its display that they die a thirst and a hunger after the settlement of the chaos or die because of the fight on the water and the food .The large cities in our countries are in them two problems :
First, she was planned by a way that made it is impossible that she provides the main means of living except by a decentralized government, then she is artificial in the desert heart cities there are no in them the readiness of the emergencies and no equipments and special stores and no natural sources are the availability of the substitute permanently .
A second, the upbringing of the society on the complete dependence on the regime and its prevention took place from that it is arranged or until it thinks of any civil organization until if the emergencies had a fear from that this thought turns to opposing political directions . , if the internal sedition tramped and the chaos spread and was not at the societies in these cities natural sources of the emergencies and did not they have a social system that arranges the necessities bringing operation from waters and a food and a fuel and a security, the situation will head to massacres for the sake of the getting of the waters or other until the human does not die a thirst . Add to this that the regime intended the destruction of the social textile for the sake of the people Ttfeh and revived their ÔåæÇäíÊåã until they are distracted from the politics which their remoteness from the each other and the difficulty of their organization results from him spontaneously .
By - the chaos means spites and massacres
Unfortunately all of the justifications find to the feelings of spite and revenge between the people, and that is with the insult of the mean Al Saud breeding . The first of these spites against Al Saud themselves whether were they top officials they wronged and tyrannized and they stole and raped and attacked the miracles and the honors or were they princes became businessmen by the authority force and confiscated the people moneys despite their noses . She is seen what will do a difficult family by prince Khaled the criterion and its entourage if the chaos tramped and became between their hands ¿ what will do prince Mohammad Bin Fahd 's enemies ? what the wronged from prince Mash'al and a sultan and Nayef and others will do ? and how the people look at an entourage these who were exploiting their name and their center and conspire with them against the theft and the looting and the attack on the people ¿ he does not exclude that the revenge on the princes turns and their entourage to a mark from the pride marks by it some is elated after the settlement of the chaos .
Ì - * * * the chaos means an external intervention * * *
The superpowers with bound hands will not stop in front of the slip of the country to the chaos and definitely its old plan will put in the occupation of the oil regions the execution place . The Americans have understood that the chaos reasons started appearing and understood that no solution with political or intelligence intervention, and therefore they decided that they jump directly for the military choice at the eruption of the disagreement in the dynasty or at any other sign from the chaos signs . And if America was coveting with the control over the oil wells then there other countries of them regional greeds the land will be paved for it for the invasion without resistance .
The practical steps
We move to an advanced step in a detailed specification to what should take place through the occurrence of the chaos until we are not taken unexpectedly . And for the execution of this plan the goals and the means and the general framework and the guarantees should be clear totally .
Social emergencies plan targets
If he takes the taking of our country into the consideration that is the more important target to the emergencies plan he is the control of the security and the guarantee of the items arrival and the main services from waters and a provision and an electricity and contacts to the public . And the central element in all that is a temporary disciplined security system prevents the fight of the people on the waters or on the food and protects the properties and prevents the stealing and the looting and the revenge and the revenge . And if we knew that the large cities are not in them any strategic store of the waters and no to the food and in them emergencies system not guaranteeing the arrival of these main items to the public not is it is difficult for us the deduction that it without an instant security system the people may die a thirst or because of the fight on these items .
The emergencies plan guarantees
He assumes at the start of a social emergencies plan that all forms of the regular and irregular Armed Forces are in the service of this plan and not the reverse . And on all the sectors of National Guards and army and the securities forces by all their wings that they are in the service of this distribution and becomes at the disposal of these field commands who benefit from them for the control of security and system . Have says a sayer these forces that the corruption erode and the benefiting from it is difficult, and the answer to that is that these forces are in them a much good whatever the corruption eroded it, then the human with his printing does not love the chaos and it will maintain the system time it knows that the system is the one that guarantees the safety of its family and his group . And these forces should accepts the direction immediately for the protection of the general and related properties and prevents any attack on them .
The readiness on the personal level
Towards the psychological and educational
The person should become ready from now for coming difficult periods that trains himself in it on the seriousness and the responsibility and the roughness and the discipline and abandons the concern and the fun and the foolishness and the waste of time and disorder . Next stage it needs a grandfather and a skin and a bearing and the human should convinces by that before the envelopes come until he has the psychological readiness for the interaction with them himself . And the more important grilling in towards the psychological and educational he is the legitimate discipline and the repentance and the return to Allah and the feeling with its supervision and the need and the lack to because it is the crises time that does not enable the human it that it is reassured as he is reassured with the dependence on Allah and the resorting to it and the seeking help from it . And if was there who neglected Allah concern or devoted to some of the disobedience then she is a chance that it repents to Allah now and gets ready with psychology close to Allah has spared no effort in the obediences and reduced the disobedience the ability amount .
* the increase of the economy in the banks and the preservation of the money, with the attempt of its change to currencies from neutral countries and the purchase of gold ingots and golden pounds for the easiness of its expenditure the need time .
* the preparation of the house by an internal water reservoir if it was not in the house a water reservoir and made it a full permanently, and in the places that approach in them the groundwaters digging the wells is possible .
* the provision of a small radio from the institutions that receive all of the waves and specially the short wave and batteries by big number .
* the provision of a number of the manual lamps that complies with the batteries in addition to a saddle it makes Balkaz or the gas .
* the getting of any weapon with a sufficient ammunition and advises always by that it does not be less than a machine gun .
* the getting of transmitters and a reception are bilateral no a wired it complies with the batteries the mastery of the contact between the persons in need ( the telephones may break down ) and also the provision of marine institutions for the specification of the sites through the satellites industrial .
* the provision of an electric generator or the coordination with the district people of a generator of several houses with the keeping of fuel necessary for its employment .
* the provision of suitable and practical clothes to the cruel circumstances like clothes and the sport shoes or the military .
* securing the house is concerning the construction and the closure of all outlets and the holes .
* the specification of a safe place in the house and bears the explosions and its specification to all taking into consideration its closeness to the women and its agreement of the seniors and the oldsters .
* the provision of some of the main medicines of the emergent situations like the sedatives and the antibiotics and the antiseptics and rest preparer the aid, and also the provision of great amounts from the medicines and the treatments that the chronic diseases patients need like the sugar and the pressure and the heart diseases and other .
* the storage of a quantity from the flour and the button and the other grains and approves the quantity according to the number of family individuals and perhaps the specialization of a room for the storage prefers that it is in the ground floor and in the middle of the house and the releasing of these subjects prefers to the land about 15 kilos on boards from the woods for the prevention of the humidity and the putting of some of the preventing items to the insects under the boards the wooden .
* because of the probability of the breads preparation in the house the purchase of the yeast that shows its form like the pills is preferred Lqblitha for the storage for a long time .
* the storage of quantities from the canned foods is from several kinds like the bean the chickpea the bean Albazila the bean and consider you that it is the production date recently until it continues as long as possible and it can eat the old from it gradually and buys substitute for it recently
* the preparation of a quantity from the pressed dates, because they are distinguished by bearing the storage and does not need the cooking and no the preparation .
* the sugar and the coffee and the tea is by the biggest possible quantity .
* if the family had a baby then we do not forget the storage of the dry milk by a sufficient quantity .
* he prefers the storage of the limes juice in bottles or their purchase a powder, it fears the corruption of the fresh acid quickly at electricity outage, and there kinds a special is from the lemons juice a present in canned memorizer .
* the purchase of the sleep bag is Slibng Bag ( sleeping bag ) of each individual from the family individuals and the keeping of it a ready with some of the blankets for the possibility of the move suddenly from a place to a place .
* or the construction of a small oven or a made single purchase from the iron
* the storage of the diesel or Alkaz in the courtyard and it is not in the inside with digging hole in the land and put the tank in it until if it was injured a direct hit that the house or the persons who live in it are not injured
* the assurance that the relatives and the knowledges have the self readiness, and the agreement on a way for the coordination of the contacts with the relatives or the knowledges the crisis time .
Calls
And after these broad outlines to a temporary emergencies system the availability of the main factors guarantees for the life, it is no escape from the direction of calls to specific sections from the nation we wish that they connect by all their weight for them and that they give them a listening ear and a great interest .
To the independent scientists
Allah rewarded you with a good on your remoteness by your souls about the regime crimes, but this does not suffice you, and on you a great responsibility for the resistance of the society command to the safe side and its protection from the chaos furnace that the system incites to it . We do not say that ascend the platforms and challenged the rulers, but say that start from now the coordination between you and between the other society powers and they got rid of the fear and the hesitation and lightened from the idealisms and considered the calamity from the necessities state that accepts them from the other powers what do not accept in the state of stability and peace . And the responsibility is on this category greater than other because for it a credibility at the people and the people has the readiness for the submission and the obedience for them more than others then you do not degrade your role and do not neglect it .
To the educational currents and the active gatherings
Allah rewarded these currents and the groups a good on what came from a reform and the qualification of big numbers from a young man and the cadres, they accused by that they among who causes the passivity of these cadres and their carelessness about the joining of the social work and the heavy the effective political and the satisfaction with limited educational works and as if they are a developed copy from the notification groups . These currents are a more than asking other by that it turns immediately to the forefront that stands behind the nominated commands by each city or a region . And if these currents were claiming that they comply with the Islam totalitarianism principle and being the politics part it does not divide from it and has given to soul the right that they become far now from the politics to security reasons then not is it is accepted that this excuse remains accepted in those circumstances .
To the Armed Forces and the security authorities
Despite all what says about them, we know that their emotion with the religion and from the lovers to Allah and the messenger until if they got some of the disobedience or neglected the duties, and know that their turning on their country and their nation and their family and know that they look at the society as a mixture from their sons and their fathers and their brothers and the sons of their cousinship and their brother-in-law then they part they do not dare from the society . The essence that the Armed Forces at us and the security authorities she is in the sentence a special copy from the society it witnesses its concern and suffers like its suffering and thinks by like its thought and from the share of our countries that these forces do not pass by the brain washing cases that the soul forces pass in other countries by then it sloughs off each thing . These forces as long as by such nature, we do not practice an idealism time we demand it by that is guaranteeing the society organization a civilian the emergencies time and that they will be very ready because they put herself at the disposal of the field commands who the public comply to . And as for he not was from it outside the cities then the expected from it that he puts the nation's interest over each interest and makes its moves within what suits this new emergency situation . And you then you that are you instruments merely that individuals throws from the dynasty fights some of you some of their sake then they become a massacre between the National Guards and the army for the sake of the domination of a so-and-so or a so-and-so .
To the tribes commands
These are a call of all of the tribes and their commands whether in the middle or the choke or the northern or western one or the southern one, the rulers have tried that they manipulate you and insulted a lot of your faces and your presidents in front of their family and of and made children Al Saud more honourable from I grow a man a honour and a kinship in you . You know that you did not comply to them except because they claimed the raising of the religion flag, then you were submitted to them loving of Allah and to its religion, or then they have not on you a rank and no it was honored and no the height of percentages . And it become clear that they are lying in the claim of the raising of the religion flag and despite that that have devoted to your humiliation and your insult with the passage of years suspicious that they managed you with their power and they forgot that you are their power and forgot that you have been submitted to them by the religion only . And now and we approach the dispersion of their necklace you that you fall in the conflict traps between them then you are more honourable and nobler from that become you a fuel it burns from their sake . And on you in the chaos state that you are with the nation and with the one(s) who chooses in each region and a city from the entrusted commands . Then you also that you take the initiative in any revenge or a revenge and a revenge in the chaos state because all that can overturn against us all and called the rights return to our family with the fair justice time the matters settle to the right people .
To the businessmen
The person so that he pleases time it sees the businessmen like the slaves at Bin Saud and has robbed them and on their moneys and them to a merely a producing works of his trade that their moneys was originally, that from their work the net profit arrive while they suffer what suffer . You O the businessmen and the moneys people by all your directions required from now that you support all demands by the right and a seeker for the prevention of the chaos occurrence in the country . As for after the occurrence of the chaos then you are required that you do not neglect the support of the office boys of the repair of the matters and the arrangement of the nation affairs who runs the emergencies situation .
To the students and the workers the men of industry
The students and the workers and the men of industry are the one who writes on their hands of the change in the popular movements in the history . And you the nation young man and its item and no can one of that he moves without you then you do not fail in the practice of your role in a civilized way that are in it ready by each courage and a readiness for the move by the right trend when necessary . And with your activity and your vitality then you will not be distant from the directions of the new field commands we think that the direction of the call for you will not be necessarily then will form pieces in the introduction and on the alert for the doing of the duty . All what we wish from you be that you make Hamas a young man and the force of the stage arrested by the wisdom of the adult commands that the nation accepts in that critical period .
To the righteous from the ruling family
We know that you little but the people knows you and they respect you and appreciate you and they know that the righteousness and the uprightness are in the ruling family a difficult matter and therefore then rented you - and Allah is more knowledgeable - a doubled and taking on its religion between you as grasping the embers . You are required by the sayings of your site in the family that you participate with an amount what can for the prevention of the chaos before it happens and the pressure on Al Saud 's seniors for the presentation of concessions of the nation and its trusted commands races by them the chaos . And as for if she solved the chaos then the desired from you that you make all what you have of information and relations and a penetration and if it was limited under the service of the nominated field commands and the arrangement that the people accepted Lhalaaltoaria .
A quotation :
The final execution
What we wish be that Allah prepares for our countries maturity matter that moves that repairs in it the matters quietly and a deliberation and a discipline, but this is a hope, and the truth that the chaos occurrence chance and if to a short while a very coming matter . The instant demand is practically - if the chaos tramped - that the commands and the entrusted symbols jump and they throw the fear and the hesitation aside and faces the issue with a firmness and a resolution until the people gathers around it and the nation unites in a clean safe way . If this initiative happens, he follows it the other powers including the military powers in the country that can not it that it faces the nation and she originally suffers from the chaos . And this is difficult that he materializes except by the effective media machine . And therefore the commands and the media remain two vital elements in the control of the situation at the occurrence of the chaos .
From some Islamic movement bulletins for the reform
A scratch ( ( the time of seriousness and work came before the regret ) )
Ummmmmm. Your screen name????
It was said "tongue-in-cheek" Quix. I forgot my smiley.
Snipped:
Human rights groups have claimed that armed gangs have proliferated in Nigeria after prominent politicians and ethnic figures armed them to intimidate voters during the 2003 elections in the world's seventh largest oil-exporter.
More than 11 000 people have died in political, religious and communal violence in Africa's most populous nation in the last five years.
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=86&art_id=qw1087447865823N252
More rough stuff in Nigeria, happened yesterday. Anyway, I posted this here because of the election stuff. Armed gangs roaming around to intimidate voters.
Oh lovely.
The only problem with that (other than the poor Taiwanese) is that it appears Russia is allied with Iran.
I'm still in the corner.
Ahhhhh. Thx
This should be an intersting read for the trip home. Thanks
I agree, Mossad.
They kept mentioning "a day of 17"---although I was hoping for a reprieve until at least June 23rd.
Let's look at the situation from their point of view:
They have derailed Iraq's oil, and will probably hit SA oil today or tomorrow.
They have their "navy"- loaded with wmd- out in the seas.
They know that WE are searching for them- perhaps we have already knocked a few of them off.
They are going to be in a "use em or lose em" situation.
Plenty sobering.
BTW, if you ever finish pondering a response . . . an eager reading awaits it!
No biggy but just so you know I'm still keenly interested.
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