[betty boop]

p.s.:

"Totalitarian schemes either combine church and state or become a secular state religion by being the arbiter of moral authority. Collectivist states have to eliminate religion's separate moral opposition for their own survival. Once secular humanism and other temporal ideologies burrow further into America's corpus juris, illogical dead-end thinking will result and that will, and is, beginning to produce increasing numbers of dead bodies in places like Waco, Texas, Ventura County, California and Ruby Ridge, Idaho."

Just a tiny excerpt from Alamo-Girl's link (above), by Dan Gifford.

The point is our society is being "collectivized" today in support of preferential rights bestowed by men, not equal rights before a just rule of law. And the tens of millions of preborns destroyed by abortion are the "victims sacrificed" on the alter of this Brave New World....

Well, as Lenin said (or was it Marx?), "you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette."

[tpaine]

Giffords efforts to blame "secular humanism" instead of the real evil, socialistic communitarian-ism, is misguided, imo, Betty.
The moral majorities devotion to a 'states rights' position on most such crucial issues is leading to our societies being "collectivized" just as much as any 'secular' bogeyman of Giffords.

"The continuous disasters of man's history are mainly due to his excessive capacity and urge to become identified with a tribe, nation, church or cause, and to espouse its credo uncritically and enthusiastically, even if its tenets are contrary to reason, devoid of self-interest and detrimental to the claims of self-preservation.
We are thus driven to the unfashionable conclusion that the trouble with our species is not an excess of aggression, but an excess capacity for fanatical devotion.
-Arthur Koestler-

[Alamo-Girl]

The point is our society is being "collectivized" today in support of preferential rights bestowed by men, not equal rights before a just rule of law. And the tens of millions of preborns destroyed by abortion are the "victims sacrificed" on the alter of this Brave New World....

Indeed. That is the point! Thank you for your excellent posts!!!