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To: Diamond; hocndoc; betty boop
hocndoc wrote;
Some would say that the act of freezing the embryo is in itself an act of aggression that is not allowed because of the danger to the life in the freezing and thawing processes.

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It is at least interference in the LIBERTY of the embryo, is it not? What right does someone have to halt the living processes of someone else by freezing him, without his consent, and without any due process?
238 diamond


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Human beings/persons ~die~ when they are frozen.

As you both mention, embryos do not die from freezing, - thus proving that they have ~not~ yet attained the level of life where they could be considered as being a functioning human being/person.

Thanks.
240 posted on 06/14/2004 11:46:18 AM PDT by tpaine (The line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being" -- Solzhenitsyn)
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To: tpaine; Diamond; hocndoc; Alamo-Girl; marron
As you both mention, embryos do not die from freezing, - thus proving that they have ~not~ yet attained the level of life where they could be considered as being a functioning human being/person.

WHO is doing the "considering" here? You? Me? Aunt Tilly?

The DoI cites the unalienable right to life, not the attainment of a "level of life" where a human life could be considered "a functioning human being/person." That is, the right inheres in the life, not in the attainment of a certain level or particular stage of life.

The reason we have a rule of law, based in the Constitution, is to replace relative and often selfish human opinions/judgments with constant standards of justice and human rights applicable to all.

The only alternative is moral relativism and, therefore, no equal standards, no equal protection, no equal justice under law. This is to make a mockery of the Constitution.

Perhaps you have heard of the recent federal case, where a court barred a pregnant illegal alien from being deported because her child was conceived in the United States, and its father is American. The judge extended equal protection to that pre-born, on the grounds that it was entitled, not just to life, but also to its liberties as an American citizen. (Go figure.)

Plus you may also have heard of the so-called "Laci's Law," arising from the Peterson case in which a preborn child, Connor, is alleged to have had his right to life violated by his father, who also allegedly violated the right to life of the child's mother. Thus Scott Peterson has been charged with a double homocide.

243 posted on 06/14/2004 2:06:03 PM PDT by betty boop (The purpose of marriage is to civilize men, protect women, and raise children. -- William Bennett)
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To: tpaine

Bad logic, again. You still are depending on function to define human being, rather than species.
The embryos at this stage can survive freezing under current technology, while later embryos and fetuses cannot. Who knows, some day we may be able to revive Ted Williams.


246 posted on 06/14/2004 5:47:25 PM PDT by hocndoc (Choice is the # 1 killer in the US)
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