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Many Don't Remember Reagan So Fondly (Barf Alert!)
FOX NEWS ^ | 6-09-2004 | Associated Press

Posted on 06/09/2004 8:45:30 AM PDT by J. Semper Paratus

Edited on 06/09/2004 8:47:29 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

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To: Enterprise
AHH HA! I see you have figured out the conspiracy's sinister plot.
21 posted on 06/09/2004 9:04:13 AM PDT by GrandEagle
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To: J. Semper Paratus

Whenever this comes up, I'm going to remind people of the Bug Chasers and the Bareback Riders, those who either actively seek AIDS as some means of "belonging", or the ones who don't care about protection and are proud of it and advertise it.


22 posted on 06/09/2004 9:04:22 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. ©)
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To: J. Semper Paratus
What exactly could President Reagan have done to change the AIDS epidemic in any substantial way, given that AIDS is still being spread around despite 8 years of President Clinton.
23 posted on 06/09/2004 9:04:29 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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To: J. Semper Paratus

The fact that AIDS was spread through sexual contact was commonly known VERY early. Gays chose to continue their bathhouse lifestyle and to bitterly oppose standard epidemiological practices to contain the growing epidemic (lists of partners, condoms, testing, notification, etc). To blame Reagan instead of themselves is further evidence of mental illness.


24 posted on 06/09/2004 9:06:29 AM PDT by BadAndy (Specializing in unnecessarily harsh comments.)
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To: J. Semper Paratus
Rush was right . . .they won't even wait until he's in the ground.

By the end of the week the liberal press will be blaming every mality imaginable on this beloved statesman.

25 posted on 06/09/2004 9:06:49 AM PDT by ChadGore (Vote Bush. He's Earned It.)
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To: GrandEagle
"AHH HA! I see you have figured out the conspiracy's sinister plot."

Yep. Ya can't fool me, no siree. I KNOW the truth! I got it all figgered out.

26 posted on 06/09/2004 9:07:16 AM PDT by Enterprise
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To: JoJo Gunn
So true. The majority of homosexual men who contracted AIDS in the '80's did so because they could not control themselves.

How do they justify the thought that an outside entity as distant as the federal government could have dictated to them to stop attending the numerous gay bath house orgies?

27 posted on 06/09/2004 9:10:49 AM PDT by J. Semper Paratus
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To: cjshapi
I was on Yahoo IM one day...[and got called] a hateful murdering American [presumably by an Arab]

There are many America hating groups on Yahoo! these days. I wouldn't be suprised if this is how terrorist cells are communicating.

28 posted on 06/09/2004 9:11:36 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle
Many Don't Remember Reagan So Fondly



We don't remember them to fondly, either.
29 posted on 06/09/2004 9:12:08 AM PDT by wjcsux ("Communists read Marx and Lenin, Anti-Communists understand Marx and Lenin" -R.Reagan)
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To: ChadGore
They have to do this.

Reagan's great accomplishments have so much power that the Left must rationalize, minimize and distort away Reagan's memory before much of the nation is swept into a remembrance of the fact that conservatism, like Reagan's made huge sense in his day... and still does.

If millions of Americans felt good under Reagan, and they remember his conservative governance was why they felt that way, they will long for, and vote for, the closest candidate in the next election who exemplifies the Reagan ideal:

George W. Bush.

30 posted on 06/09/2004 9:24:24 AM PDT by J. Semper Paratus
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To: Billthedrill
There is plenty of blame to spread around, but expecting Reagan to come up with a public education program in '82 when most gay activists were vociferously opposing the very idea that GRID could even be contagious is asking just a little too much. These were people who greeted the common-sense idea of shutting down the bath-houses with screams of "Nazi oppression!"

Anyone who wants to relive the events leading up to this epidemic is encouraged to read And The Band Played On by the late Randy Shilts. Shilts was certainly no friend of the Reagan administration (he was gay himself and finally died of AIDS) but he was also an eyewitness to the absurdly self-destructive politics that so hindered San Francisco's, and the country's, response to the burgeoning plague. The truth is that gay politics is far more responsible for AIDS deaths than conservative politics, and transferring blame to Reagan is simply a way to avoid taking the responsibility themselves.

We were talking about this the other day on a mailing list and I mentioned that yes, perhaps Reagan, his liberal HHS secretary, and his hyper-competent Surgeon General didn't react quite as quickly as they could have. But they saw other diseases as a bigger threat, and quite frankly didn't see the "at risk" populations taking the obvious precautions. I observed that when someone runs around outside in cold rain without a coat and later gets the flu, our sympathy for them tends to be limited.

The fact is we still don't know for sure causes AIDS. But we certainly know how it's spread.

-Eric

31 posted on 06/09/2004 9:37:10 AM PDT by E Rocc (John Kerry inspires about as much enthusiasm in NE Ohio as the Michigan Wolverines.)
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To: J. Semper Paratus
Reagan caused the gays to bugger each other in bathhouses?
32 posted on 06/09/2004 9:43:49 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (NEOCON NOW)
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To: J. Semper Paratus

Wouldn't the appropriate reaction have been quarantine? Of course, we know why that was never tried.


33 posted on 06/09/2004 9:44:01 AM PDT by ikka
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To: J. Semper Paratus
How do they justify the thought....

The same way the incredibly mentally disturbed Sam Burns does, by dismissing Bug Chasers as an urban legend, even after actually interacting with one of them.

Note to all - The link above has some profanity.

Fantastically insane quote: .... I think much of the "bug chaser" talk is most likely urban legend.

Most likely???

34 posted on 06/09/2004 9:44:45 AM PDT by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. ©)
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Who, in 1982, DIDN'T know how to PREVENT the spread of AIDS?

The logical thing to do here would be to sue some tobacco company...


35 posted on 06/09/2004 9:47:27 AM PDT by baltodog (There are three kinds of people: Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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To: Enterprise

I knew your remarks were made tongue-in-cheek, in a very non-San Francisco sort of way.


36 posted on 06/09/2004 9:50:21 AM PDT by hometoroost
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To: JoJo Gunn
"...I think much of the "bug chaser" talk is most likely urban legend."

Yeah right. I saw a young man San Francisco man interviewed on TV who admitted to bug chasing because he wanted to get the attention that many of his former sex partners were getting since they had contracted HIV.

Urban legend my eye.

37 posted on 06/09/2004 9:52:38 AM PDT by J. Semper Paratus
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To: J. Semper Paratus

I'm sure it's true that many don't remember Reagan fondly, but is this really the week for the Associated Press to run out and interview a bunch of them so that we know what they think?

How is this "news?" It isn't. It's just an AP reporter making sure that Ronald Reagan can't even go to his grave without being properly smeared by left-leaning mouthpieces.

Carter hasn't got that long to live. You watch, when he goes there will be none of this. It'll be "Saint Jimmy" 24-by-7, in spite of the fact that he was one of the worst Presidents the United States ever had. It's hard to think of a single thing that didn't go wrong under "President Malaise." But we won't hear a word of it.

The bias is so blatant now it practically jumps off the page at you.


38 posted on 06/09/2004 9:52:40 AM PDT by Nick Danger (With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine.)
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To: J. Semper Paratus

So some gay former air traffic controller has a hardon for Reagan!

As Nelson Muntz says, "Ha ha!"


39 posted on 06/09/2004 9:53:16 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Jeff Head
http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/22565.htm

"Let's talk about AIDS, shall we? The disease was first identified in 1981. According to the Congressional Research Service, in the course of the Reagan presidency the federal government spent a total of $5.7 billion on AIDS alone. No individual disease or epidemic received as much. Period."

40 posted on 06/09/2004 10:00:40 AM PDT by petercooper (Now, who's this Joe Mayo everyone's talking about?)
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