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Should the United States give peace a chance in war on terrorism? (surrender to Bin Laden!)
San Francisco Chronicle ^
| June 6, 2004
| John Arquilla
Posted on 06/06/2004 7:12:52 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
Wow, this guy is smoking some powerful stuff!!!!!!!!
To: LibertarianInExile
It's NOT interesting. It is stupid.
It overlooks every salient piece of information we have about the islamo-facists, their goals, methods, and ideology. In his simple mind, the Islamists would be interested in "negotiations" to end their global Jihad when they have said repeatedly and unambiguously that they want no such thing.
They want the victory they have been promised by their god, and they will continue until they get it - or they are dead.
Talk of negotiations - suing for peace, in other words, would only embolden them and would prove counterproductive in the extereme.
The entire idea is just plain stupid.
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posted on
06/06/2004 7:55:09 PM PDT
by
John Valentine
("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
To: FairOpinion
Why do these people keep thinking that Islamonazis are just like them? Full of "love" and understanding? It's amazing that the left has such a spineless attitude towards everything.
"Please don't hurt me...here's a flower and a hug. What? You want to stick a knife in my back? Sure...as long as "peace" is the answer. What? You don't love me? What about the flower and the hug?...WAIT!!! Ouch. That knife hurts! I'm dying but I understand that it's my fault that your killing me....Everythings going dark...WAIT!! don't cut my head....offf....Allah?...I ....don't....believe....in.....a....God........WAI......-----------------------------
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:02:38 PM PDT
by
Dallas59
To: xm177e2
For example, the Palestinian nationalist cause is also a "big tent'' with many feuding factions, but all have given their assent, for many years now, to being represented by Yasser Arafat in peace talks with the Israelis.Of course, if Yasser Arafat genuinely wanted peace with the Israelis, there'd be peace right now. The trouble is, these people (terrorists) use negotiation merely as a means to distract their perceived enemy while building up a position of strength from which to attack.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:05:17 PM PDT
by
exDemMom
(Think like a liberal? Oxymoron!)
To: FairOpinion
I say let's surrender NYC, Boston, and San Fran to OBL.
To: FairOpinion
There's a few Freepers I know who could have written this article with complete and utter naive sincerity.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:07:42 PM PDT
by
TADSLOS
(Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
To: proxy_user
"But he is too much of a fanatic to agree to it. He and his associates will never agree to give up terrorism, no matter what concessions are made."
History shows differently. Like Hitler, the Pali's, and Saddam he WILL agree to give it up, but just keep doing it. That is part of the reason we should not even negotiate with a terrorist... it will just give him stature like Arafat.
The UN will then send him millions of dollars a year, and it will protect him from being killed. But to get there he will agree to end terrorism just as a Arafat did, Saddam did, and Hitler did..
We must NEVER negotiate with terrorists, unless it is some of our Marine snipers doing the talking at long distance.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:08:31 PM PDT
by
JSteff
To: FairOpinion
Mr. Arquilla is welcome to travel to the Middle East to negotiate on my behalf. I'll hold his hat. He won't be needing it.
To: FairOpinion
Boiled down to the essence, we only have two options: Give in or fight.
If we give in, our ultimate fate is a to become a Muslim nation. So the only real alternative is to fight.
That is all.
To: FairOpinion
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:13:13 PM PDT
by
RaceBannon
(VOTE DEMOCRAT AND LEARN ARABIC FREE!!)
To: FairOpinion
"Peace in our time", from San Francisco of course.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:14:46 PM PDT
by
garyhope
To: FairOpinion
"Asia for the Asiatics!" America needs to apologize for Pearl Harbor!
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:17:48 PM PDT
by
Cultural Jihad
(Rising waves, what motive is behind your impulse? The desire to reach upwards.)
To: RaceBannon
This cartoon describes it perfectly.
Liberals just don't get it.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:20:07 PM PDT
by
FairOpinion
(If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
To: John Valentine
I concur that negotiation with terrorists is worthless; but Bush seems hellbent on encouraging the Israelis and PLO, er, "Palestinians," to negotiate. Why is it so specious, so 'stupid,' to even speculate the U.S. might itself surreptitiously do the same with other Islamists? We're talking about the same U.S. government that is forced to negotiate RIGHT NOW with Islamist Afghan warlords--warlords who are growing their own arsenals with profits reaped from heroin destined for the world market, mind you--in efforts to assure 'bad' Islamists like Bin Laden and the Taliban are rooted out. To assume that our government will not negotiate with those who are clearly evil, in an effort to exterminate or end what it considers a greater evil, is to view the world quite naively.
After all, as I've mentioned, Nixon quit Vietnam. I guess he thought Communists taking over South Vietnam wasn't nearly as bad as a continuation of U.S. soldiers dying there. And he was pretty anti-Communist in his day. He made a hard choice.
Seeing this amorphously winnable war on terror end without some sort of Gulf War I-esque 'we achieved our objectives, we won, let's go home' Powell-ish, victory declaration seems unlikely. Would that be better?
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:27:55 PM PDT
by
LibertarianInExile
(<--Outsourced myself. The first $70K in income is IRS free!)
To: Dallas59
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:28:31 PM PDT
by
John Valentine
("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
To: FairOpinion
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:36:06 PM PDT
by
Boazo
(Are you afraid of clowns?)
To: LibertarianInExile
Do you have any idea what it would mean to the US to have terrorists set off a nuke or even a dirty bomb, or unleash some chemical or biological weapons in the US?
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:36:10 PM PDT
by
FairOpinion
(If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
To: LibertarianInExile
"Negotiation" with terrorists and other bad guys goes on all the time at the tactical level. I have no problem with that if the battlefield commanders feel there is something to be gained and less to be lost from local arragngements with warlords, opium growers, smugglers or whatever.
The case of the Palestininans can be distinguished from general islamic global jihad by the fact that they are at least a quasi nation with territorial ambitions that could conceivably be tempted by some sort of compromise.
What I deride is the notion that some sort of strategic final settlement could be negotiated with the global jihadis, when every single fact on the ground points to its absurdity, futility and utter unobtainability.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:36:33 PM PDT
by
John Valentine
("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
To: Boazo
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:36:40 PM PDT
by
FairOpinion
(If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
To: FairOpinion; Smartass; MeekOneGOP; devolve; FBD
Surrender, you infidels - ping.
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posted on
06/06/2004 8:38:56 PM PDT
by
Happy2BMe
(Ronald Reagan to Islamic Terrorism: YOU CAN RUN - BUT YOU CAN'T HIDE!)
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