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To: Karyn M. PhD
I'd tend to say that most Americans were operating under an American conception of parental rights, not a Cuban one. On other threads on FR father's rights are considered sacrosanct. Why not in this situation?

You mean a "Communist" conception, don't you?

My family is Cuban for generations and the traditional Cuban concept is that you don't give up a child to a parent who asks for him when he has a gun pointed at his head and is told to ask for the child.

This father's rights to say what he wanted without coercion were massively abused by the Cuban Communist Government and the Clinton Administration.

Because the father was kept under de facto house arrest during the entire time he was in the U.S., the father was under the full control of Communist Cuban agents, thanks to the Clinton Administration.

Republican Congressmen asked to meet with the father, his wife and their younger son, alone, and they were refused by the Cuban Government and the Clinton Administration. The father's second wife and younger son were always kept as hostages, under the full control of Communist Cuban agents, so that the father would say what he was supposed to say.

This hostage practice is routinely used by Communist China. The Chinese Communists will allow one family member to travel abroad but keep other family members in China to ensure “Politically Correct” behavior abroad by the other family member. Or else.

When the “Elian Grandmothers” were making their U.S. propaganda tour, closely guarded by Cuban agents, Reuters reported that their husbands were being paraded in back Havana in propaganda rallies.

Read the accounts of the negotiations prior to the SWAT team raid to seize Elian at gunpoint at great risk to Elian and all other persons in that house.

Who had veto power over any deal as negotiations were conducted that night with high profile third parties that included that the President of the University of Miami?

It was Castro's legal representative and Bill Clinton’s impeachment lawyer, Greg Craig.

What was the final proposal on the table that Lazaro Gonzalez approved? That the father, Juan Miguel, Elian and the Miami family would all move a NEUTRAL site with Juan Miguel FREE of Communist Cuban agent oversight.

Did Janet Reno approve of this plan? Yes.

Did Greg Craig and his de facto client, Fidel Castro, veto it? Yes.

Who is in control here? Fidel Castro and Greg Craig, Bill Clinton’s impeachment lawyer.

What is the common theme here? That Juan Miguel Gonzalez must always be kept under Castro/Clinton house arrest with his family held hostage by Cuban agents even while on U.S. soil and with his wife’s family held hostage back in Cuba.

If, after your death, the father of your child asked for custody while he was being held hostage, would you want your child sent to him?

Or would you at least first demand that the father be freed from his hostage situation so that we may judge what he truly wants when not under coercion?

Freedom from coercion is a "father's right", is it not?

92 posted on 06/06/2004 8:46:11 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: Polybius
Brilliant post Polybius, one of the better analysis of the entire Elian sage I have ever seen, you really put it into perspective. Maybe even the good doctor will understand.
99 posted on 06/06/2004 9:17:22 AM PDT by rodguy911 ( President Regan---all the rest.)
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