[freefly]

Well ashamed is a bit strong, but I'll certainly admit that it's a poor source...however, it's 1 of the the only 2 indications that SOME Israelis wouldn't fire on an ally in spite of orders...the other being that 4 out of 5 torpedoes are supposed to have missed. Pretty poor shooting considering the circumstances (even if the helmsman of the Liberty WAS highly motivated).

Other than this obscure source, all the picture shows is Brig.-Gen. Yiftach Spector who -instead of having his career ended, was promoted to the very highest level after scoring an "own goal", and, of course, his government's assurances that it was all just a simple mistake -complete with transcripts that "prove" their innocence. Not pretty...and not particularly convincing.

No, what I WOULD be ashamed of is blindly taking the word of the Israeli government over that of the American sailors that were on the dirty end of this incident (not to mention men such as Capt. Ward Boston (Navy attorney involved in the Liberty investigation) and Admiral Moorer (former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and chief of Naval ops at the time of the incident). In fact, I'd be ashamed of taking my OWN government's word over their's -given the regular diet of lies that we've been fed over the decades- and surely nobody would try to claim that the Israeli gov is any less duplicitous than our own?

What's missing from this picture is the OTHER sources of information that would confirm or disprove the gov's claims. If all we have to go by is these transcripts, then we sure weren't getting the intel that we paid for...or what those men on the Liberty died trying to get.

I might be a bit embarrassed by an obscure link (although embarrassing truth is often found in the strangest places) but you can rest assured that I have no reason to be ashamed of being a gov dupe...for any government. It would be a far worse mistake.

[Poohbah]

The big issue I have with the crew of the Liberty is that they are repeating the National Security Agency's cover story, despite the fact that it's been proven false. They've given me cause to question their veracity in one area. That leads me to question it in others.

[Boot Hill]

I suspected that it was not an oversight on your part, when you failed to provide a link or URL to the source of the news report you posted in #50. But based on your reply and your characterization of those neo-Nazi, skin-heads as merely being "a poor source" and a "obscure source", it is now clear to me that you were fully aware of their vile nature when you posted that crap.

If neo-Nazi Willis Carto, in any of his incarnations as Spotlight Magazine, American Free Press or their dim-witted stooge, Christopher Bollyn, says something happened, you can pretty much take it to the bank that just the opposite is the truth.

Maybe you'd feel more at home over at LibertyForum, where neo-Nazis skinheads are revered and respected. Or maybe you'd find a receptive audience over at LibertyPost, where Neil is too busy pushing Kotmair's tax scams, and Goldi is still suffering from Stockholm Syndrome, to notice what just crawled out from under a rock. But FR, thankfully, is a conservative site that refuses to be a forum or host for those kind of scum or their hate-filled dribble.

Have a nice day.

--Boot Hill