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To: curious311
"All that being said, why is it that the current day supporters of the confederacy cannot understand the efforts of the Iraqi people to fight against the occupation and oppression that they are now experiencing at the hands of the United States of America? Iraq was not a part of the United States. It was a separate sovereign, a nation not joined by law or by ideals to the United States. The confederate states were a part of the United States, they chose to secede. They left the Union, they took up arms against the United States and became traitors, terrorists, insurgents."

Typical of the mindset of the far left "Hate America" crowd here on FreeRepublic. The fact that you see Al-Quada as "Freedom Fighters" opressed by America and call great Americans like Robert E. Lee and my ancestors "traitors, terrorists and insurgents" says it all.

Jim Robinson may tolerate your disgusting blue-zonian rants against the South......but it is unlikely that he will take kindly to your treasonous view that the United States of America are the evil occupiers and opressors of the Iraqi people.

My guess is that you have never even considered what you can do for our country.......but instead are always asking what the country can do for you.

79 posted on 06/05/2004 3:38:04 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Godebert
Hey, I refer to the professional leftwingers in this country as the AlQaida Ground Support Team, but didn't Robert E. Lee lose his right to vote in Virginia and US elections on account of his, uh, err, leading the rebel army?!

Maybe your accounting of history is different than mine, but he didn't get reinstated as a voter or someone entitled to run for public office, right?

Were there at least a couple of witnesses to this?

I'm just guessing he may have had a Constitutional disability or something. Had some property confiscated as well ~ US government finally paid his son (the "blood" thing in the Constitution).

85 posted on 06/05/2004 9:21:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Godebert; Cannoneer No. 4; festus; wardaddy

Now it is you who appear confused. Let me try to clarify.
I do not see Al Qaeda as Freedom Fighters, I see them as they are – fanatical, evil extremists and terrorists who are determined to weaken, if not destroy the United States - the nation I love, the nation I owe my allegiance to. It is you who refuses to see the confederates for who they were, unpatriotic terrorists and traitors to the United States of America. How patriotic is it to abandon your country (the United States) and take up arms against her (Fort Sumter)? Call it state’s rights if you like, try to sugar coat it as you will, but slavery was at the root of the conflict and slavery and slavery practices were as wrong as Saddem Hussein’s rule of his people. In the 1860's the United States was fighting for freedom, freedom of the slaves. What would have been the outcome if the South had won the Civil War. Would we still be practicing slavery? Would you condone that? There is no justification for the Civil War.

Our country is based upon the ideal that “All men are created equal” and that was what the federal government, the United States government, was attempting to ensure, that is what you try explain away as to states rights versus federal authority. The confederate states were part of the United States. That they chose to secede was clearly a treasonous act against the United States and each member of the government and each citizen of the states who supported secession were traitors. (Traitor - one who commits treason. Treason the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance or to kill or personally injure the sovereign or the sovereign's family.) (Abraham Lincoln, the President of the United States was killed by a confederate sympathizer.)

Okay, let's get this straight. Osma Bin Laden is not the same man as Saddam Hussein. Though both are evil, it was Osma Bin Laden, Al Qaida and the Taliban that have claimed responsibility for:
1993 World Trade Center
1995 bombing in Saudi Arabia,
1996 Khobar Towers bombing
1998 bombing of U.S. embassies in Africa
2000 bombing of the USS Cole
2001 destruction of the World Trade Centers
2002 killing of Daniel Pearl
2004 killing of Nicholas Berg

Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, one of the main architects of the “war” in Iraq, has admitted that Iraq had nothing to do with the September 11 terrorist attacks, contradicting public statements made by senior White House and Pentagon officials whose attempt to link Saddam Hussein and the terrorist organization al-Qaida was cited by the Bush administration as one of the main reasons for launching a preemptive strike in March against Iraq. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4372.htm

Osma bin Laden and his top soldiers (the Al Qaida) are still out there, still causing havoc and have continued with their terrorist assaults since 9/11/2001. G.W. Bush does not have the war on terrorism covered, he and his administration have covered up their ulterior motives for waging a undeclared war in Iraq. They have used their assault on Iraq to cover up the fact that they have failed to stop Osma bin Laden and the Al Qaeda and have failed to bring to justice Osma Bin Laden and his soldiers. G.W. (Dubya) used the tragedy of 9/11 to attack Iraq and finish what his father failed to do in 1991. He and his friends have used 9/11 to seize one of the largest oil fields in the world, for profit and gain, not for justice and democracy, but out of greed.

As a “true” American you should be appalled that Dubya has cut and continues to cut the benefits to veteran's and his party and administration constantly threaten base closings while we have people being maimed and killed in a war that he created, a war that is his tar baby - he is stuck in it - with no real exit strategy. (Daddy George tried to persuade him not to go to war in Iraq and warned him that if he did, he better have a great exit strategy.) By going to war he showed he has no respect for the U.N., NATO, the citizens of this country (he lied regarding the reasons for the war, REMEMBER), the soldiers who are fighting and dying, the soldiers families, the citizens of the world and HIS FATHER. What an honorable man he is! The ones profiting from this war are the private contractors who have been given the bids to provide security and other services in Iraq. Outsourcing costs are outrageous. A member of a private security force can make tax free $100,000.00 a year, if not more, in Iraq and are provided all of the weaponery they need (part of the contract to provide the outsourced services). Our military is paid next to nothing and they don't have enough bullets, protective vests or armoured vehicles. Bases are being closed, the military has to pay taxes on benefits (housing) it receives, VA hospitals are being shut down and military benefits have been cut by Dubya and his administration. Do you not see the inequites? We are not fighting terrorism in our nation, we are not fighting to maintain our Nation's freedom -- the "war" in Iraq is justifying (in their minds) the actions of the terrorists and putting our nation in a more perilous position than it was before 9/11.

To wage war on innocent people because you confuse them with people who have committed the terrorist acts of some who share their culture or look like them is not only preposterous, it is WRONG. The Taliban/Al Qaida is to Muslims as the KKK is to "true" Christians. They are extremists who have confused the messages of their religious faith and have used their confused and warped believes as valid reasons to attack and condemn people who think, act and live differently than they do. Just because their cause may be based in their warped understanding of their religion does not mean that their religion is wrong or evil. The KKK was (is?) a terrorist group who killed hundreds, if not thousands, bombed churches, terrorized hundred of thousands all in the name of white, Christianity and white supremacy. How are they any different than the Al Qaida? Should our country have gone into the states that harbored the KKK and waged war on them, just because a few of its citizens were terrorists?

What I find so amazing is that you so called “true Americans” can support the conflict in Iraq can sit quietly as our government attacks a broken country (Daddy Bush did attack and destroy their military and Clinton’s “containment” was effective, that is why the overthrow was so quick, add to that the sanctions, and Saddam Hussein and the Baath party were just bullies holding on to their power by terrorizing their own people, not us) all in the name of freedom and democracy, yet our nation does nothing to put down the wrongs in North Korea and the Suddan. They have the weapons of mass destruction, they have the bomb and they have continued to torment, terrorize and murder those who opposed them, yet we attack Iraq. I guess Korea and the Suddan do not have the oil fields that can make Bush, Cheney and their buddies millions and millions of dollars.

Yes, the United States is rebuilding Iraq, but remember it was the United States that destroyed it.

What was once a great nation, the United States - once known for its efforts to rebuild nations, not destroy them, has been altered terribly by those in power now, thus the rest of the world hate us. Instead of fostering trust and respect, we have instilled fear and distrust, we have given Osma bin Laden and the Al Qaida further cause to hate us and we have helped their numbers grow.

Instead of replying to this writing with your cute little responses (YGTBSM), I challenge you to research what is happening. Read all information available to you, not just right wing publications but liberal, left wing writings, writings throughout the world, use the internet to your advantage and see for yourself how destructive the “war” in Iraq has been to our nation If you were ever in the military you should know that a platoon is only as strong as its weakest member. Instead of ignoring the weaker member, you help strengthen him, you build him up to make him strong to bolster your platoon’s strengths. That is how it is in the nation, we are only as strong as our weakest members, instead of ignoring them we must build them up, strengthen them so that they can stand on their own and thus strengthen our nation.


104 posted on 06/05/2004 12:02:42 PM PDT by curious311 (It doesn't take a hero to order men into battle. It takes a hero to be one of those men in battle.)
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