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Dutch want return of powers from Brussels
Telegraph UK ^ | 04/06/2004 | Ambrose Evans-Pritchard

Posted on 06/03/2004 7:12:05 PM PDT by ellery

The Dutch government has called for a major return of powers from Brussels to the nation states, saying that integration has gone too far and lacks popular consent.

It said it was time to consider taking back control of health, culture, social policy, aid to poor regions and the subsidy regime of the Common Agricultural Policy.

The new Dutch-first aims were laid out by Bernard Bot, the foreign minister, in a landmark speech in Berlin on Wednesday night.

It was being compared by the Dutch press yesterday to Margaret Thatcher's Bruges speech in 1988 and marks a dramatic departure for a founding member of the EU that could once be counted on to back every push for closer union.

While Mr Bot endorsed the overall idea of European federalism, he put forward a list of concrete national demands that go further than those suggested by Michael Howard, the Tory leader.

Calling on the EU to learn self-restraint, he said it was time to stop shoving fresh treaties down the throats of citizens every couple of years.

"We must realise that there are limits to the degree of integration that Europeans can digest," he said. "People must be given a chance to adjust.

"There is a widespread sense of unease about Europe, about loss of national identity, and about an EU that increasingly intrudes into their everyday lives.

"The European Union is, after all, a union of member states. That is something we should never forget."

He said that "patronising" Eurocrats were pushing through idiotic regulations "such as telling window cleaners how to hold ladders". By doing so they were "creating a culture of tolerance for rule-breaking" by forcing local authorities to defy the law.

Mr Bot is no firebrand populist. He has been toiling in the EU vineyards for almost 40 years, serving as head of the Dutch delegation in Brussels for a decade before becoming foreign minister for the Christian Democrats, the most pro-European party in the Netherlands.

Answering questions in Berlin, he said it was "ludicrous" that the EU was now deciding how many beds there should be in a hospital room.

He said that such meddling reflexes would stretch the European project to snapping point.

"Is Europe really the best level at which to regulate landscape gardening?" he asked.

A senior Dutch official said the speech was intended to be a warning to a high-handed elite in Brussels that appeared to have lost touch with reality.

"There are some very British elements in this speech," he said. "The feeling is that we risk a popular revolt unless the citizens start to feel represented."

The mood in the Netherlands has soured since Pim Fortuyn, the late homosexual maverick, burst on to the political scene two years ago, launching virulent attacks on Brussels, Muslim imams and the bloated welfare state. He was shot dead by an animal rights activist.

Mr Bot said he supported the new European constitution, believing that it made "the locus of power more visible" in the system and gave EU citizens a greater say over the institutions.

At the same time, the Netherlands has imposed its own red line by threatening to block the treaty this month unless member states retain their veto over the budget.

The Netherlands is the biggest net contributor per capita to the EU budget, but does not receive a British-style rebate.

It is expected to hold a referendum on the text, which could lead to an upset no vote.

In a caustic aside, Mr Bot mocked the "arrogance" of states "such as France" which threatened to expel those countries that rejected the constitution after a popular vote without daring to put the text to their own people.

Jacques Chirac, the French president, has resiled from earlier support for the idea of a referendum, chiefly because the opinion polls suggest he might lose it.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: belgium; eu; europeanunion; nationstate; netherlands; sovereignty
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1 posted on 06/03/2004 7:12:06 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery; knighthawk

Bump; ping.


2 posted on 06/03/2004 7:14:51 PM PDT by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: ellery

Answer to the Dutch from the EU: Too late, you already lost the war!


3 posted on 06/03/2004 7:17:01 PM PDT by jonascord
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To: ellery

The EU is already Euronating on itself..


4 posted on 06/03/2004 7:22:28 PM PDT by sheik yerbouty
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To: sheik yerbouty
"The EU is already Euronating on itself.."

LOL!

5 posted on 06/03/2004 7:24:27 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ellery
In a caustic aside, Mr Bot mocked the "arrogance" of states "such as France" which threatened to expel those countries that rejected the constitution after a popular vote without daring to put the text to their own people.

Huh?? France "arrogant"??

The Dutch are just now figuring all this out?

6 posted on 06/03/2004 7:26:41 PM PDT by F16Fighter
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To: ellery; knighthawk

...and so it begins...or 'bout time Holland!

To Knighthawk....Groetjes uit Chicago.


7 posted on 06/03/2004 7:27:04 PM PDT by Chgogal (Hey Arab Street...better watch out for the American Street. We are pretty hot and bothered.)
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To: ellery
""The European Union is, after all, a union of member states. That is something we should never forget."

I'd be very cautious if I were Dutch...
Jefferson Davis put forth the same arguement in 1860,
and look what happened.

8 posted on 06/03/2004 7:31:15 PM PDT by norton
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To: ellery

france seems to be getting slapped in the face from all sides.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 7:35:19 PM PDT by McGavin999 (If Kerry can't deal with the "Republican Attack Machine" how is he going to deal with Al Qaeda)
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To: ellery

Why am I not surprised that socialism doesn't work?


10 posted on 06/03/2004 7:41:00 PM PDT by kitkat (PLEASE STEAL THIS TAG: "The democrats would rather win the WH than the war." - Tom DeLay))
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To: ellery
"There is a widespread sense of unease about Europe, about loss of national identity, and about an EU that increasingly intrudes into their everyday lives.

idiotic regulations "such as telling window cleaners how to hold ladders".

he said it was "ludicrous" that the EU was now deciding how many beds there should be in a hospital room.

"Is Europe really the best level at which to regulate landscape gardening?" he asked.

This little bit of totalitarianism bothers him? Just wait until the rightful ruler of Europe, France, crowns itself and really takes over!

11 posted on 06/03/2004 7:55:19 PM PDT by RJL
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To: ellery

Here's hoping they kept their powder dry.


12 posted on 06/03/2004 7:58:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: ellery

Good work, Bot!


13 posted on 06/03/2004 7:59:18 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: McGavin999
france seems to be getting slapped in the face from all sides.

Makes ya wish they would notice that. I hope Bush isn't too nice to Jacques, ah to be a fly on that wall! LOL!

14 posted on 06/03/2004 8:00:53 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a major dork))
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To: ellery

I love it when the wheels come off.


15 posted on 06/03/2004 8:01:41 PM PDT by FreedomFarmer (I seem to be living in a Dilbert Cartoon.)
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To: ellery
HAAAAAAHAAAAHAAAAA!

Wherever they go, leftist bureacrats spread joy!

The world would be so much better off if the DC and Brussels control freaks could be sent to their own island nation to run as they see fit. I would suggest Cuba, but I like Cubans. I would suggest the Galapagos Islands, but I wouldn't want to piss off the Komodo Dragons. I hear Devil's Island, is available. Or maybe they could rule Antartica.

16 posted on 06/03/2004 8:04:12 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: RJL
This reminds me of the joke with the punchline "we've already determined what you are, now we're just negotiating the price."

If the Euros are worried about which level of government will tell them how to hold their ladders, how many beds should be in a hospital room or how straight their bananas should be then they are already slaves. They are just arguing about which master owns them.

17 posted on 06/03/2004 8:05:03 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (Teach a Democrat to fish and he will curse you for not just giving him the fish.)
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To: ellery
"There is a widespread sense of unease about Europe, about loss of national identity, and about an EU that increasingly intrudes into their everyday lives.

Can I get a big:DUH! what did they think was going to happen, it's only just begun.

What fools the sophisticated can become, delicious! LOL!!!!!

18 posted on 06/03/2004 8:09:02 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((Kerry is a major dork))
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To: F16Fighter

France is playing a great shell game -- most don't know that there are no peas under any of their cups, yet they continue to hold sway.


19 posted on 06/03/2004 8:11:47 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Any day you wake up is a good day.)
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To: ellery

France my butt. The Dutch can handle the French. What the Dutch don't want is to be over-run yet one more time by the Germans.


20 posted on 06/03/2004 8:13:13 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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