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Bush to Give Pope Presidential Medal of Freedom
Reuters ^ | June 3, 2004 | Rome Staff

Posted on 06/03/2004 11:25:25 AM PDT by Notwithstanding

President Bush will award Pope John Paul the Presidential Medal of Freedom Friday, the highest U.S. civilian award, a U.S. official said Thursday.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the pontiff was being honored for "years of fighting for freedom and for his important moral voice."

(Excerpt) Read more at wireservice.wired.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: catholic; catholicbasher; catholicbashers; catholiclist; johnpaul; johnpaulii; medaloffreedom; pope; popebasher; popebashers; popejohnpaul; popejohnpaulii; vaticanvisit
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To: Notwithstanding

AMEN to that....


61 posted on 06/03/2004 12:32:31 PM PDT by BMC1
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To: sinkspur
... a certified nut...

Whenever an opinion, or a reply is posted to you Sinkspurt which in your infinite wisdom you don't agree, you resort to petty insult.

62 posted on 06/03/2004 12:32:55 PM PDT by JesseHousman (Execute Mumia Abu-Jamal)
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To: JohnnyZ
The amount of hatred spewed toward that good man on this board is sickening.

I don't hate the Pope. I just don't like some of the things he says, particularly about the war in Iraq, and I'm very disappointed (no, deeply saddened) that he does nothing to curb the rampant anti-Americanism that eminates from the Vatican.

To be critical is not to "spew hatred."

63 posted on 06/03/2004 12:34:28 PM PDT by kevao
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To: kevao
LOL!!! An Archbishop gets on Vatican Radio and doesn't speak for either the Vatican or the Pope.

Yes, that is correct. Each Bishop has the right to express his views on these issues publically and to argue his point of view.

64 posted on 06/03/2004 12:35:47 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: ErnBatavia
Mrs. Bat - an extremely devout Catholic - says she'll leave the church if Il Papa rebukes Bush during his visit.

Why would an "extremely devout Catholic" abandon the fullness of the faith and the means of eternal salvation for a religion of the state and secular politics?

I ask only for information.

65 posted on 06/03/2004 12:37:30 PM PDT by Romulus ("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
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To: Salvation

It doesn't say anything concrete.


66 posted on 06/03/2004 12:40:14 PM PDT by gilliam
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To: exile
You wouldn't see Clinton handing an award to anyone who was critical of his administration.

Let's hope he gets more goodwill out of it than they did when they gave Ted Kennedy the 2003 George Bush (Sr.) Award for Excellence.
67 posted on 06/03/2004 12:40:33 PM PDT by anonymous_user (Telling the truth means you never have to change your story.)
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To: pctech
The Pope isn't an American. Why should he get it?

Neither was Valclav Havel. What's your point?

68 posted on 06/03/2004 12:44:46 PM PDT by Bohemund
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To: gilliam

Are you saying the Pope was not one of the most vocal opponents of the war in Iraq?


69 posted on 06/03/2004 12:46:43 PM PDT by kevao
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To: JesseHousman
It must fit.

You really think the Papal Tiara is necessary for a Pope to be a Pope? Or the Coronation Ceremony?

70 posted on 06/03/2004 12:47:17 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: JesseHousman
And a certified nut if you think that ridding the Papacy of the papal tiara invalidates the Papacy.

Actually, you are certified nut only if you think the absence of the tiara invalidates a papal election.

71 posted on 06/03/2004 12:49:54 PM PDT by sinkspur (Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
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To: No Blue States

Yes. Some of guys in this forum don’t understand why we have now war in Iraq:
Reason:
- cause some of the Islamic radical imams though that their religion can support war, and killing (not all Turkey is real proof that Islam can been civilized religion )

If pope will support war that means that he is not much better than those imams. But he is too smart he will never support any war and I have big respect for smart peoples!


72 posted on 06/03/2004 12:51:11 PM PDT by Lukasz (Hey don't look for my horrible mistakes, I'm learning English here!)
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To: Bohemund

perhaps what the poster really meant was that "the pope is the Soveriegn of the Vatican and final authority for Catholics, and therefore Americans should refrain from embacing him"


74 posted on 06/03/2004 12:55:25 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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To: pctech
The Pope isn't an American. Why should he get it?

Interesting if the Pope would be interested in accepting a secular award. It would not enhance his position as the Highest Authority among human beings.

76 posted on 06/03/2004 12:58:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: kevao
To be critical is not to "spew hatred."

If the shoe fits, wear it, if not, don't. I made my comment very general, following a reference to my expectation that more Pope-bashing would follow. So far on this thread there has been less than usual.

If you consider a prediction of "lambasting Bush for all the evils of the world" fair and balanced criticism then you have ... strange standards.

77 posted on 06/03/2004 1:01:36 PM PDT by JohnnyZ (The truth is like sunlight -- people used to think it was good for you)
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To: Notwithstanding

Is this the same Pope who supported Lech Walesa and the political reforms in Poland back in the 80's?


78 posted on 06/03/2004 1:01:41 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: Rebelbase

the very same one


79 posted on 06/03/2004 1:03:34 PM PDT by Notwithstanding (Fides et Ratio)
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