To: Frank_Discussion
Galadriel, a magicaly elf, was tempted by the ring, Saruman (a wizard) had formerly been good, but was corrupted, Boromir went off his nut for a bit, but was a good guy,
Thanks for helping me make my point. Galadriel (and Gandalf) chose not to use the magic of the one ring because of its corruptive nature. Boromir and Saruman were corrupted by it, even though as you point out they started off as good fellows.
The mission was to destroy the ring, not to use it.
Article snip..."Gandalf, the wizard in 'The Lord of the Rings,' is an angelic. He is a being created by the One True God who is kind of an arch-angel who is sent to help people accomplish the will of the One True God...
In 'Harry Potter,' the wizard is a human being who is supernaturally empowered to perform magic tricks that may be used for selfish and even evil purposes, Parker said.
In a lecture on the life of Tolkien, James Parker, said the most obvious declaration of Christianity in the trilogy is found in another book by Tolkien, "The Silmarilion." In it, Tolkien details the historical background of Middle Earth -- the fictional world in which the story of "The Lord of the Rings takes place."
In "The Silmarillion," Tolkien speaks of The One who is the creator of the universe and everything in it. This parallels the Genesis creation account, Parker said. The providence of God is also obvious throughout "The Lord of the Rings" because Tolkien's Middle Earth is clearly a moral universe with a set of universal absolutes regarding right and wrong, good and evil, Parker said.
"Not only is God superintending Tolkien's Middle Earth, but He is governing it according to His will and accomplishing His own ends; this comes through in many places in the story," he said.
complete article:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/2003/002/
To: Proverbs 3-5
"Thanks for helping me make my point."
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I don't say these things lightly, but:
You're a loon.
"Article snip..."Gandalf, the wizard in 'The Lord of the Rings,' is an angelic. He is a being created by the One True God who is kind of an arch-angel who is sent to help people accomplish the will of the One True God..."
So is Saruman. So?
Gandalf was spiritually stronger than Saruman under temptation. Harry and his friends, his "fellowship" likewise were stronger than the Death Eaters under similar temptations.
The character that hid out as Scabbers the pet rat was likewise a Boromir-esque character, with exception that he never snapped out of his descent into evil.
Look, you are trying too desperately hard to find an evil message to the HP series, when there is none. At least not anymore than someone who thinks they could find and use Saruman's palantir.
This misguided piety is the same kind of thing that eventually sprang forth the Spanish Inquistion, which is something nobody ever expected.
118 posted on
06/03/2004 11:10:10 AM PDT by
Frank_Discussion
(May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
To: Proverbs 3-5
"Gandalf, the wizard in 'The Lord of the Rings,' is an angelic. He is a being created by the One True God who is kind of an arch-angel who is sent to help people accomplish the will of the One True God... And Sauron, just as Morgoth before him were also creations of Eru, the One True God of Arda. They all had access to the same innate powers (to greater and lesser degrees), but became good and evil based on how they used those powers. Morgoth (in a direct parallel to Satan) was the greatest of all those created by Eru, but fell into evil based on a selfish desire for his own power and mastery. Sauron and Olorin (Gandalf) were lesser beings, but also of great power -- the difference between them was that Sauron followed Morgoth into corruption, and Olorin remained faithful.
125 posted on
06/03/2004 11:22:05 AM PDT by
kevkrom
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To: Proverbs 3-5
... in fact those that try to use the magic of the rings are consumed by the evil and become wraiths and servants of the ultimate evil.Uh, completely incorrect. Those who try to use the power of the One Ring are corrupted. The three elven rings were hidden from Sauron and were not corrupted by his power. Gandalf is WEARING one of the elven rings (Narya) throughout the WHOLE series (hence his statement to the Balrog in the movie 'I am a servant of the secret fire" ... Narya being the ring of fire). And Galadriel wears one, and Elrond the other. So all three of the good powers in the story are using their own rings the whole time.
I hate it when folks get just a little bit of surface knowledge and start slinging it around to suit their needs. If anyone here knows nothing about the Lord of the Rings trilogy, it is you. And your post proves it. So any analogy you make between the "rings" and Harry Potter's "magic" is faulty on its face...
312 posted on
06/03/2004 1:31:38 PM PDT by
Charles H. (The_r0nin)
(Soþlice! [Truly!] See, all those years of Anglo-Saxon and Old Icelandic paid off...)
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