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25th anniversary of conservative takeover of Southern Baptist Convention
http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/news/world/8828872.htm ^ | 6-3-04 | BOBBY ROSS JR.

Posted on 06/03/2004 9:31:43 AM PDT by BobbyBeeper

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1 posted on 06/03/2004 9:31:47 AM PDT by BobbyBeeper
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To: BobbyBeeper

And that God they did!


2 posted on 06/03/2004 9:41:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

This was probably the most important religious event in the US in the last 25 years. The SBC is the only major (in numbers anyway) Christian chruch that still holds to a conservative view of the Bible.

Without this event, there is every chance the SBC (at the upper levels and seminaries) would be in the same shape as the other major denominations.


3 posted on 06/03/2004 9:47:28 AM PDT by BobbyBeeper
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Are the colleges more fundamental now? Baylor wasn't looking too good IMO, 3 years ago.


4 posted on 06/03/2004 10:06:21 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: BobbyBeeper

bump for later reading


5 posted on 06/03/2004 10:17:50 AM PDT by WillRain
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To: BobbyBeeper

Bump for later


6 posted on 06/03/2004 10:19:37 AM PDT by Havoc ("The line must be drawn here. This far and no further!")
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To: CindyDawg
From Baylor's website:

Chartered in 1845 by the Republic of Texas and affiliated with the Baptist General Convention of Texas, Baylor is the oldest institution of higher learning in the state and the largest Baptist university in the world.

The Baptist General Convention of Texas is suspect. I believe that they are much more liberal in their beliefs, approaching the level of Methodists in their policy of "inclusiveness".

7 posted on 06/03/2004 10:20:00 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BobbyBeeper

It always amazes me how broadly the word "moderate" is used. Is there no such thing as liberal in these people's minds?


8 posted on 06/03/2004 10:22:12 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real political victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: CindyDawg

Baylor is controlled by the liberal state convention, not the conservative national convention. In fact, they have set up a liberal seminary because the liberals were ousted from the seminary in Fort Worth.


9 posted on 06/03/2004 10:24:02 AM PDT by PAR35
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To: BobbyBeeper
I was living in Fort Worth and was a member of Broadway Baptist Church at the time. The pastor was Cecil Sherman, who was considered to be the leader of the "moderate" wing. I witnessed front-row center-seat what happened during the takeover.

The lies perpetrated by Pressler, Patterson, et al were outrageous. I was amazed to hear the "fundamentalists" claim that Dr. Sherman didn't believe in miracles or the Virgin Birth of Christ, that we didn't read the Bible in church. All of these were total lies, of course, and the Presslers, the Pattersons, and the Adrian Rogers knew it.

The kicker was when the "fundamentalists" called a meeting at one of the conventions and used armed guards to prevent any "moderates" from attending. The "fundamentalists" were acting like the lying thugs that they are.

It was horrible when the "fundamentalists" took over Southwestern Seminary and fired many good professors and staff members. One of the professors was my Sunday School teacher and I knew others that attended Broadway. These were loving, caring, theologically conservative men whose only sin was not joining into the politically motivated tactics of the "fundamentalists."

If anyone doubts my theological conservatism, then please look at my past religious posts on Free Republic. We "moderates" didn't disagree with the "fundamentalists" on theology, we just despised their ethics.

10 posted on 06/03/2004 10:25:38 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: PAR35
In fact, they have set up a liberal seminary because the liberals were ousted from the seminary in Fort Worth.
I'm a Baylor grad (Chemistry, 1984). I also knew many who were ousted from Southwestern Seminary and none of them were liberal.

Do you have any facts to back up your assertion that the seminary at Baylor is liberal?


11 posted on 06/03/2004 10:28:03 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

I'm not Baptist but my wife is and she sees it the same as you. Her church withdrew from the SBC a few years ago.


12 posted on 06/03/2004 10:29:16 AM PDT by Gone GF
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To: PAR35; Blood of Tyrants

Ok, thanks. Strange for Texas, huh?


13 posted on 06/03/2004 10:35:10 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: DallasMike

I'm still a SB member but out of the loop some. I started attending an Independent about 7 years ago. (Yes , I'm one of those dreaded Fundamentalists :'). The reason I asked the guys this questions was because I was supposed to attend a freep at Baylor a few years ago when Janet Reno invited to speak. It was cancelled though but not because of Baylor :'( I thought it really strange that she would have been courted though.


14 posted on 06/03/2004 10:41:52 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: Gone GF
It was a terrible time. The "fundamentalists" behaved exactly like Democrats -- no lie was too big to tell in order to gain their political prize.

It bugs me that if I hadn't literally been at the center of the action, I might have been on the side of the "fundamentalists." They said the right things and played on peoples' hearts who, rightly so, didn't want Baptists to go the way of so many other denominations. The only problem was that pretty much everything they said were lies.

15 posted on 06/03/2004 10:52:54 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

What did they lie about?


16 posted on 06/03/2004 10:57:13 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: BobbyBeeper
When the conservatives gained control over Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, they got rid of many faculty members. I gather all the women on the faculty were pushed out, and I've heard the claim that this wasn't because the women happened to all be liberals; some were conservative. If anyone can clarify this, I would be grateful -- I heard the above back in those days when (gasp) I was a liberal.

While I am glad that the SBC is now lead by people who are real believers, I would be distressed if belief in the doctrine of young Earth creationism was expected of leaders of the SBC. I believe that this doctrine is a huge stumbling block for many people (Romans 14:13).

17 posted on 06/03/2004 11:00:42 AM PDT by megatherium
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I'm a fundamentalist (small "f"), too, but my argument, I guess, is that the Fundamentalists weren't the kind of Christians that they claimed to be. Clinton, Kerry, and Gore often say the right things but we know that they're lying through their teeth because their actions contradict their words. Same with Pressler, Patterson, and the others who took over the Southern Baptists.

As far as having Janet Reno speak at Baylor, I don't see anything inherently wrong with that. I recall Baylor hosting guest speakers whose opinions I didn't agree with either and I thoroughly enjoyed the question-answer sessions afterwards. I don't see inviting Reno to speak as an endorsement of her politics and actions. I would like to see Reno speak myself -- and then have the opportunity to grill her with questions!

18 posted on 06/03/2004 11:04:26 AM PDT by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike

So what exactly were the Fundamentalists opposed to then, if everything was fine as it was? I'm not familiar with the events that took place.


19 posted on 06/03/2004 11:07:28 AM PDT by Fatalist
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To: DallasMike

After what happened in Waco??? Anyway that's a different topic but thanks for the SBC input. I stopped following because I got tired of the the fighting.


20 posted on 06/03/2004 11:07:48 AM PDT by CindyDawg
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