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Massive Gun Owner Sell Out Of Basic Rights
The Price of Liberty ^ | May 17, 2004 | Michael Gaddy

Posted on 06/03/2004 4:32:01 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR

In ever increasing numbers, gun owners in this country have, by their actions, said to government: You are my master, all rights flow from you, I bow down before you and will beg, no, even pay for your permission to have my firearms. I have watched this occur here in my home state of New Mexico since January of this year, although it has been happening in many other states over the past decade or so.

Let me draw an analogy for you, if I may. Let’s say robbers beset your town. They are becoming more and more brazen in their theft of money and personal property. They have even taken to kidnapping your children and using them to help with their foul deeds. A group of citizens think they have finally found the solution to this mayhem. They go to see some of the people they know to be robbers. They ask, even beg these robbers for permission to protect themselves from the very actions perpetrated on them. After the negotiations are over, the citizens are most pleased with the agreement they have struck with the thieves.

First, anyone wishing to protect themselves must pay a fee to the robbers for permission to install fences, barred windows and even security systems. The robbers hold total control over who may or may not install these devises. Secondly, all citizens who are accepted to provide security devises for themselves must then provide the robbers with keys to all doors, windows and gates. They must also provide all codes to security and alarm systems and even allow the robbers to install the systems or teach them how to do so.

How totally absurd you say? But, is this not exactly what has happened with the massive rush by gun owners to secure concealed carry permits from the state?

The Bill of Rights to our Constitution is a set of negative protections. It was designed and passed solely to protect the citizens of this country from a runaway, despotic government. Are we not now begging and paying for permission to protect ourselves from the government itself? Do we not beg from those who steal our money and our rights for permission to protect ourselves from the very theft they are inflicting on us?
By doing so, are we not acknowledging the government to be more powerful than our Constitution? Do we not say by these very actions: I know there is a Second Amendment and foremost a divine right that provides me with the permission I need, but seeing as the government is more powerful than that little old piece of parchment, or the Creator, I will beg and pay it for this permission. By these very actions have we not destroyed the Constitution ourselves? I sure would like to see some of the gun groups and gun owners who are so proud of their accomplishments in obtaining this "permission" explain to our forefathers how they managed to trade away all they accomplished. Remember if you will, their pledge.
"For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor".

How can we ignore their sacrifice? How can we ignore the court decisions listed below?

1822: Bliss vs. Commonwealth 12 Ky. (2 Litt.) 90 at 92 and 93, 13 Am. Dec 251

“For in principal, there is no difference between a law prohibiting the wearing of concealed arms, and a law forbidding the wearing such as exposed; and if the former be unconstitutional, the latter must be so likewise. But it should not be forgotten, that it is not only that it secured by the constitution; it is the right entire and complete, as it existed at the adoption of the constitution; and if any portion of that right be impaired, immaterial how small the part may be, and immaterial the order at the time at which it is done, it is equally forbidden by the constitution.”

1846: Nunn vs State, 1 Ga. (1 Kel.) 243 at 251

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The right of the whole people, old and young, men, women and boys, and not militia only, to keep and bear arms of every description, and not such merely as used by the militia, shall not be infringed, curtailed, or broken in upon in the smallest degree; and all this for the important end to be attained: the rearing up and qualifying a well-regulated militia, so vitally necessary to the to the security of a free State. Our opinion is that any law, State or Federal, is repugnant to the Constitution, and void which contravenes this right”

1876: U.S. v Cruikshank 92 US 542

In this decision the Supreme Court stated, “the right to arms is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent on that instrument for its existence.”

1921: State vs. Kerner 181 N.C. 574, 107 S.E. 222 at 224

“The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions.”

Notice that in all the cases listed above it is the State that is trying to take away rights and has been taken to task by the individual. Obviously, we have failed to keep vigilance over our freedoms and now beg the government for what is already ours.

Most importantly, the State has been able to co-opt the very group of citizens that should be those standing in the front lines of the battle for our liberty: gun owners.

By the actions of these gun owners, the State has been provided with a list of a great number of so-called patriots, especially those who would carry guns for self-protection.

What is to stop the State from rescinding this "permission" at its whim?

What would you, who have disavowed the freedoms of your Creator and the Constitution in favor of the State, have as your defense? Have you not already acknowledged the State to be greater than both? Have you not also provided the State with another database to use when total confiscation becomes necessary to the continuance of state control and domination?

How would you answer a judge who asked you, “Did you not acknowledge the right of the state to control firearms when you petitioned the state for the "right" to carry and paid them for it?”



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1 posted on 06/03/2004 4:32:03 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR
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To: *bang_list

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquillity of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." -- Samuel Adams


2 posted on 06/03/2004 4:43:44 AM PDT by TERMINATTOR ("In my opinion, the M1 Rifle is the greatest battle implement ever devised." -General Patton)
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To: TERMINATTOR

BTTT!!!


3 posted on 06/03/2004 4:48:16 AM PDT by Andonius_99
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To: TERMINATTOR

I carry....... no permit........nuff said


4 posted on 06/03/2004 4:52:26 AM PDT by bad company (9mm federal hydra-shock +P+)
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To: bad company

God love you. I hope that you also are living in New Mexico - in the southern part of the state, of course, not up in Santa Fe and Albuquerque with all the faggots and commies.


5 posted on 06/03/2004 4:59:26 AM PDT by vandykelastone (Nuts to Governor Goober: let's get serious now!)
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To: bad company

Of all the battles we conservatives fight, this is the absolutel most important battle. If we lose our right to bear arms, we lose all.


6 posted on 06/03/2004 5:00:13 AM PDT by Roamin53 (World War III started on Bill Clinton's watch. He just wasn't sure which side he was on.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
We are now begging and paying for permission to protect ourselves from the government itself.

We do beg from those who steal our money and our rights for permission to protect ourselves from the very theft they are inflicting on us. (the government itself) Ignore your rights and they will go away!

We are acknowledging the government to be more powerful than our Constitution.

We know there is a Second Amendment and foremost a divine right that provides me with the permission we need, but seeing as the government is more powerful than that little old piece of parchment, or the Creator, we will beg and pay it for this permission.

We have permitted the Constitution to be destroyed ourselves.

Our elected legislature sees nothing wrong with open borders or promoting treaties that will absolve our national sovereignty for a new world plan.

Of course these legislators are men and women we elected ourselves but refuse to control. When the next election comes around we will call for their re-election. We do not demand they follow their oath of office. Instead we say this person is better than the other one. We refuse to demand only patriots need apply for public office.

I see it as if we have accepted the choice between eating rotten food or spoiled food. Hold your nose and swallow it. Shut up and drive yourself to the morgue.

The idea of refusing to vote for someone because they don't believe in our Constitution isn't even on the table anymore.

Self inflicted suicide seems to be our goal.

Most men and nations die, lying down. The coffin is open and we are laying down just trying to decide whether this situation can be made comfortable enough to go to sleep.

Are we going to allow the top to be closed or are we going to rise up and stand tall defending the Rights our forefathers fought and died for or will we take another short nap?

7 posted on 06/03/2004 5:01:45 AM PDT by B4Ranch (“If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison-Dwight Eisenhower-12/8/49)
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To: Roamin53

How many of you out there are familiar with unintended concenquences?


8 posted on 06/03/2004 5:03:09 AM PDT by bad company (Glock 17)
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To: bad company

Time to feed the hogs?


9 posted on 06/03/2004 5:10:47 AM PDT by Bulldog1967 (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Roamin53

"If we lose our right to bear arms, we lose all."

That's a fact. Once we allow the means of defense or resistance to be removed, then we are truly become sheep, and deserve the enslavement that must necessarily follow. But there will -- thankfully -- always remain some true patriots, who will not surrender their rights and freedoms, and who will, at least, die as free men and free women.


10 posted on 06/03/2004 5:17:29 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: TERMINATTOR
When the guns are finally illegal, and they well be, only the criminals and the righteous will be armed. That is the setting for a terrible conflict. And who will support the righteous? Who will help the defense against the criminals? Well, we sure know who won't stand and be counted don't we.
11 posted on 06/03/2004 5:20:01 AM PDT by SpeakingUp
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To: SpeakingUp

My bet is that 98% of America will accept servitude.


12 posted on 06/03/2004 5:25:04 AM PDT by B4Ranch (“If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison-Dwight Eisenhower-12/8/49)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Excellent article. Thanks for the post. We now have concealed carry permits in Missouri, but you have to go to the sheriff, and take a course, etc. Talk about jumping through hoops to exercise a right that is constitutionally protected! Aaarrrgh.

BTW, I did a search on that Adams quote one day -- was very shocked by what came up.

Carolyn

13 posted on 06/03/2004 5:26:42 AM PDT by CDHart
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To: SpeakingUp
You can have them when you peel my cold dead fingers off them. It wouldn't surprise me in the least some do good group, ACLU, PETA, PTA, Supreme Court or spineless politician attempt this. From my side of the mountain, they better come well armed because they will be met with an armed resistance.
14 posted on 06/03/2004 5:28:19 AM PDT by JamesA ( The more you try to change my convictions the more resolved I am to keep them.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Let’s say robbers beset your town. (Government)

They are becoming more and more brazen in their theft of money and personal property.  (
Taxation)

 They have even taken to kidnapping your children and using them to help with their foul deeds. (
NEA and public schools)

Sounds like this article could also apply to our loss of freedoms along with the establishment of indoctrination centers for our children to get their minds right.


15 posted on 06/03/2004 5:28:55 AM PDT by DH
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To: Bulldog1967

Nope unless you count me.


16 posted on 06/03/2004 5:52:57 AM PDT by bad company (Glock 17)
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To: Bulldog1967

It's coming to that.


17 posted on 06/03/2004 5:56:14 AM PDT by Stopislamnow (There are no moderate muslims. They ALL want you converted, enslaved, or dead.)
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To: bad company

Good book - read it earlier this year.

Highly recommend it.


18 posted on 06/03/2004 6:16:26 AM PDT by beaureguard (I used to have a handle on life...but it broke off.)
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To: TERMINATTOR
Did not work in my little central Wis home town..back in the 70s the merchants were all persuaded to provide the police with keys to their establishments...That the police would not have to bother the merchants when their alarms "mysteriously" went off in the middle of the night (like so many had done prior to the police offering 'their' solution to the problem)

The police would go to the merchants homes wake them up and they would have to come down to their stores let the cops in and then the police would clear the premises...and let the merchant -re arm the alarm and lock up....this began to happen 'so often' the merchants gave into the police suggestions....

Eventually nearly the entire police force was arrested for their thefts...but for nearly a year they stole the town blind...

Then when they were caught stealing suits from the local clothing store at 3AM they threatened the merchant who refused to knuckle under and went to the state attorney..who finally investigated and arrested nearly the entire police force..

Very bad stuff....and it was done from the top down...the head cop as well as the dispatcher got busted...though I don't think any did any prison time just some country jail time loss of job and pension....the merchants off course were out money big time... as these were major thefts These were all small town cops...raised in good homes....who gave into the 'dark side' once they had too much power....

imo

19 posted on 06/03/2004 7:04:44 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: TERMINATTOR; StriperSniper; Mo1; Peach; Howlin; kimmie7; 4integrity; BigSkyFreeper; RandallFlagg; ..

BTTT!!!!


20 posted on 06/03/2004 7:06:45 AM PDT by OXENinFLA
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