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Judge rejects slave trauma as defense for killing
The Oregonian ^ | May 31, 2004 | Holly Danks

Posted on 06/02/2004 8:02:50 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse

A Portland lawyer says suffering by African Americans at the hands of slave owners is to blame in the death of a 2-year-old Beaverton boy. Randall Vogt is offering the untested theory, called post traumatic slave syndrome, in his defense of Isaac Cortez Bynum, who is charged with murder by abuse in the June 30 death of his son, Ryshawn Lamar Bynum. Vogt says he will argue -- "in a general way" -- that masters beat slaves, so Bynum was justified in beating his son.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: bigcogwheelturns; child; childabuse; criminal; infanticide; judge; killed; randallvogt; reparations; slavementality; slaves; somethingfornothing
So my family comes from Russia and Germany -- does this mean I can kill anyone who does not agree with me?
1 posted on 06/02/2004 8:02:52 PM PDT by Talking_Mouse
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To: Talking_Mouse

No but you can learn to post proper titles.


2 posted on 06/02/2004 8:04:29 PM PDT by cyborg
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Talk about lawyers' inventiveness. Just when you think you've seen everything in the law, along comes this theory. We'll see how it flies in the courts.


3 posted on 06/02/2004 8:05:01 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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Good God,will this crap ever end. Wasnt this called "black rage' in the Long Island killings?

It didn't work then and I doubt if it will work now.

Most blacks must be humiliated by this nonsense.


4 posted on 06/02/2004 8:07:08 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Talking_Mouse

Temporary Insanity must not be in anymore or are they looking for a nexus for reparations?


5 posted on 06/02/2004 8:10:56 PM PDT by swheats
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One thing I don't get is: If they are insane, or have some silly syndrome that caused this killing, why the f*ck are we going to be lienent on them?


6 posted on 06/02/2004 8:15:10 PM PDT by zahal724
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To: goldstategop
If some genius comes up with a "Post Traumatic American Indian/Comanche Syndrome" please let me know.

Is there any length to which the legal profession will not go to win a case? (a rhetorical question)

7 posted on 06/02/2004 8:17:01 PM PDT by Adrastus (If you don't like my attitude, talk to someone else.)
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"So my family comes from Russia and Germany -- does this mean I can kill anyone who does not agree with me? "

Depends on how many Russians and Germans are on the jury.

8 posted on 06/02/2004 8:39:46 PM PDT by bayourod (Kerry has no track record in negotiating with foreign nations, nor does Sec of State Sharpton)
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"DeGruy-Leary testified this month in Washington County Circuit Court that African Americans today are affected by past centuries of U.S. slavery because the original slaves were never treated for the trauma of losing their homes; seeing relatives whipped, raped and killed; and being subjugated by whites."

Talk about being hard up for a legal defense.


9 posted on 06/02/2004 8:45:20 PM PDT by Kerberos (Groups are inherently more immoral than individuals.)
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How repulsive..against a TWO YEAR OLD...yeah..that TWO YEAR OLD had something to do with slavery..the lawyer should be disbarred for insulting the intelligence of ANYONE..and unless the sick killer is about 160 yrs old..slavery was never an issue in that killer's life..


10 posted on 06/02/2004 8:47:16 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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To: Talking_Mouse; All

Should descendants of Federal soldiers be eligible for reparations?


11 posted on 06/02/2004 9:03:42 PM PDT by olde north church (compensation is a female canine)
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She said she thinks post traumatic slave syndrome can be proven scientifically once the politics of race are set aside and the white research establishment takes time to study it.

No, you've got that backward. The politics of race is the only hope your silly theory has. If just hating whitey is enough to bully the 'white research establishment', you can keep yourself on the gravy train for the rest of your 'career'.

12 posted on 06/02/2004 9:21:49 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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No but you can learn to post proper titles.

Just curious... what's the problem?

13 posted on 06/02/2004 9:23:47 PM PDT by Starve The Beast (I used to be disgusted, but now I try to be amused)
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To: zahal724
liberal courts are not that concerned, I believe, about the individual. It's the cause that can be fought and won that matters. JMO
14 posted on 06/02/2004 10:00:22 PM PDT by swheats
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Bump


15 posted on 06/02/2004 10:05:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: cyborg
No but you can learn to post proper titles.

W.T.F.A.Y.T.A.?

16 posted on 06/02/2004 10:07:08 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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"Bynum told police he hit his son with a watch strap during potty-training. He said the day before the boy died, he was playing "helicopter," swinging his son around the room, when the boy hit his head on a table."

Now just wait a sec.

He beat his son with a WATCH STRAP!?? WOW, now that method of disciplining slaves was certainly not covered in ROOTS!

And playing "helicopter"? Now just what sort of pre-1865 helicopter might that be?

It sounds to me like this guy was spun around too fast when he was a kid.

Post Rotational Intertial Cranial Embolism/Lowered Expectational Stress Syndrome, we call it.

PRICELESS for short

17 posted on 06/02/2004 10:19:28 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: Starve The Beast

only problem on my part being in a short mood after a long day at work pointing something out to someone


18 posted on 06/03/2004 12:06:34 AM PDT by cyborg
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To: olde north church

This is embarrassing the entire nation. . What about the victims of the L.A riots. Given that most of them were Asian-American shopkeepers will the Hispanic and black "leaders" pay reparations. I think if the PC crowd has got some nerve. What about the decent folk in the suburbs that pay for minority crime through more taxes for police etc? I hope the majority of African American's (who are law abiding citizens) are outraged by what fools are doing in their name.


19 posted on 06/03/2004 12:54:53 AM PDT by newfarm4000n (Taxes for social security is theft)
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