Posted on 06/02/2004 10:29:02 AM PDT by Edward_Daley
By I. N. Tanswer - June 9, 1944
Tuesday's invasion of the European continent by primarily American and British forces may go down in history as the biggest military blunder of all time. The presumptuousness of the invasion's name alone, "Operation Overlord", should have been our first clue as to the state of mind of the people who concocted this foolhardy and now obviously disastrous scheme. As the number of casualties continues to rise, with estimates approaching 50,000 dead and 240,000 wounded, many patriotic Americans are forced to ask if Mr. Roosevelt's preemptive war against the people of Germany has been worth the cost of so many innocent young lives.
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Some folks don't like to be bothered by FACTS! They crave and love the myths that make them feel special because they feel that they have some sort of "hidden knowledge"; sitting there in their easy chair watching satillite tv, and clicking around on the internet; that others actually working in the government reading real intelligence information...and the general public don't have!
Here is the truth about these stupid, childish rumors:
Saudi Arabian citizens, yes, some from the Royal family, who were related to Usama Bin Laden, were given permission to fly out of the country--for their protection. In the climate of that day, senseless assaults on these people could have taken place. They left after being checked out and with the full knowledge of authorities.
Should we hang them, because their relative is evil? Shall we hold you in account for your relative's crimes? The Saudis had long ago renounced their relationship with Usama--and cut him off from his fortune. Usama had actually declared war on them as well...he hates them!
And in FACT, the Saudi flights did NOT happen until the reopening of our national airspace on 9-13.
To somehow make this sound like President Bush actually was allowing Usama Bin Laden, and his immediate family to escape, because he was some kind of family friend, is preposterous!
It is a rumor perpetuated by Bush haters, such as Michael Moore.
With all due respect, 'we' didn't need to defeat Germany - England & Russia did. And if FDR wasn't illegally giving arms & aid to GB from the get-go (in violation of the Neutrality Act) our ships wouldn't have been attacked by the U-Boats and Raiders.
Which also brings up WHY Japan attacked us in the first place; FDR's asia policy was openly hostile to Japan as FDR pretty much declared Economic War them a long time before 1941. 'He' was choking them off from vital necessities for survival (like oil & rubber) and it guaranteed that they'd respond - and not with a nasty letter.
Anyway, after Dec 7th Germany was forced compelled to declare war on us do to their pact with Japan.
NOTE: I'm not justifying anything that Germany or Japan did (I still HATE detest the Japs). My point is that FDR was determined to get us into the war one way or another. And like a typical DemoncRAT -- the Law, Congress or 'the peoples will' be damned, he wanted us in and he got us in.
No. Thank YOU!
I know, but I have a feeling we are both banging our heads against a brick wall of willful ignorance. Thanks for trying to help, though.
" honestly don't give a fig about Osama's family"
Me neither. Doesn't change the fact that they received special treatment by our gov't the very day that their brother slaughtered 3000 of us.
"However, in regards to the selling of WMD Saddam, so, we should have continued in this mistake? We should have left Saddam in place to continue butchering the Iraqi people? The 300,000+ dead don't matter and don't count? You're arguing for status quo ante, based on past mistakes?"
Well, at least you acknowledge history, unlike a few others in this thread. I don't and didn't argue the removal of Saddam. Please find where I did. I also, like your feelings toward the Bin Ladens, don't give a rat's ass about the poor Iraqi people either. Nor did anyone here until Bush told them to in the summer/fall of 2003. Where was your righteous indignation in 1993? 1998? 2000? Where was the outrage as 500,000 Iraqi kids were dying due to UN sanctions during the 90s? Why didn't any American give a rat's ass about the Iraqi people until late last year, when it became obvious that Saddam's WMDs were long gone/destroyed/moved to Syria/whatever? Why should I start caring about ungrateful Iraqis who, a year after liberation by American blood, still don't seem to be too concerned about taking charge of their own country? And where's your righteous indignation about Fidel Castro's butchering and torturing of mostly-Christian Cubans, which has been going on 90 miles from America for almost 40 years? "
"Give me a break, yeah, you think President Bush is to be hung because his family has oil ties, and invading Iraq is wrong because of those oil ties."
Firstly, the proper tense is "hanged", when referring to capital punishment. Secondly, I almost clicked "Report Abuse", since I never did nor intend to request personal harm to come to our President. Your statement here is patently false and bordeline libelous. "
"I think you need to reexamine your values and priorities."
I think you need to take a "Reading Comprehension" course, as the majority of your post attributes words to me that were never typed on this forum board.
International politics sometimes makes strange bedfellows. A good example is our ally in World War II, the Soviet Union. Shortly after World War II ended, we witnessed the beginnings of the Cold War with the Soviet Union.
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Thank you!
Mugshot of traitor/Nazi propagandist Mildred Gillars (aka Axis Sally):"Damn all Jews who made this war possible. I love America, but I do not love Roosevelt and all his kike boyfriends."
"It's a disgrace to the American public that they don't wake to the fact of what Franklin D. Roosevelt is doing to the Gentiles of your country and my country."
Other than being members of the same extended family, do you know of any terrorist connections between Osama and the rest of his extended family?
What a swine that witch was.
"your argument that the war against Saddam was somehow not connected tot he war with Osama Bin Laden. "
According to our President, it wasn't, as neither he, Cheney, nor Rummy have ever been able to link Saddam with Bin Laden. Don't bother sending me a bunch of liberal-media links to the contrary - if there was anything irrefutable about Saddam/Osama connections, the Bush Admin would rightfully trumpet them loudly.
"And then you resorted to name calling instead of actually arguing the merits of your case."
Whoa. I apologize for name-calling. This damn forum board sometimes brings out the child in me. I ask that you forgive and we continue to keep this above the table.
"You cannot subtract points for my pointing out the obvious without thereby negating your generalization riddled argument."
I'll add points just for that sentence. But there should be a "-" between generalization-riddled! :)
Works great when you are the score keeper in your own arguement.
We are still waiting for you to own up to two very specific and wrong statements made by you.
1) Did the Osama family members fly out on 9/11 or on 9/20 as stated in another post?
2) Who, by name, in the group of Osama's family that was flown out of the country was actually Osama's "brother"? (Note: Uncles, brothers-in-law, cousins, and fourth cousins twice removed do not qualify.)
Some say that he would have lived if he had been permitted to come back to the US.
The will must be there to punish enemies of the state.
"Works great when you are the score keeper in your own arguement."
A. It's a joke.
B. Why are you involving yourself in a discussion that doesn't involve you?
"We are still waiting for you to own up to two very specific and wrong statements made by you."
"We"? Ooo. I'm scared.
"1) Did the Osama family members fly out on 9/11 or on 9/20 as stated in another post?"
I've since read 9/13. Doesn't matter - they shouldn't have been flown out at all. If Clintax had done something like this, you'd be screaming for his impeachment.
"2) Who, by name, in the group of Osama's family that was flown out of the country was actually Osama's "brother"? (Note: Uncles, brothers-in-law, cousins, and fourth cousins twice removed do not qualify.)"
Strawman and a misquote, as I said that Osama was the brother of some of them, and not the other way around. If you're gonna butt into a discussion that doesn't involve you, at least quote me correctly please.
Funny thing. Yamamoto and Hitler are spelled differently, too.
I have to wonder why Hanoi Jane wasn't tried for treason... or why John Kerry hasn't stood trial for his admitted war crimes.
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