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Is an oil peak upon the world?
The Hindu Business Line ^ | Wednesday, June 2, 2004 | J. Srinivasan

Posted on 06/02/2004 6:24:37 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon

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1 posted on 06/02/2004 6:24:38 AM PDT by Momaw Nadon
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To: Momaw Nadon
"It could be five years from now or 30"
Impossible. It's past.
2 posted on 06/02/2004 6:31:44 AM PDT by Truth666
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To: Truth666
It could be five years from now or 30: No one knows for sure, and geologists and economists are embroiled in debate about just when the `oil peak' will be upon us. But few doubt that it is coming.

But among the few who doubt it's coming are some who have solid reasons for doubting it, reasons that are based on evidence, not on myths about the origins of petroleum and extrapolations of scarcity based upon them.
3 posted on 06/02/2004 6:36:16 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Momaw Nadon

what a jam job. it's renewing itself.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645


4 posted on 06/02/2004 7:01:45 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: aruanan

They'll never figure in the fact that the increased profits will compell companies to look for oil in places they once wrote off as too expensive (offshore) or onshore wells that were less profitable. Essentially they can get 25-40% MORE cash from the same well now as they could a few years back.


5 posted on 06/02/2004 7:06:14 AM PDT by ruiner
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To: Momaw Nadon

I'm not so much concerned about the supply as I'm concerned about environmental restrictions on drilling for new supplies. The price at the pump is a reflection of an environmentalist problem, not a supply problem.


6 posted on 06/02/2004 7:16:01 AM PDT by Brett66
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To: Momaw Nadon
This is a bunch of BS...there is no oil shortage.

Acoording to many scientists including Thomas Gold, oil is being created every day and is being spilled into the oceans at a rate far greater than what man is using in a day.

Oil is filling up old wells and many wells not on line have been refilled to capacity.

Oil wells are being filled from the bottom up...which means that oil has no come up from INSIDE the planet.

The earth is creating oil right now...not depending on dinosaurs or plancton to do this.

Oil is a natural lubricant that is created by the earths processes of pressure and heat.

7 posted on 06/02/2004 7:16:16 AM PDT by Radioactive
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To: Radioactive
Discussed here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1142365/posts

It's all about speculation by investors. The same thing happened in California with electric rates. With modern communications the speed at which speculation can occur has increased, but it has always been there.
8 posted on 06/02/2004 7:21:30 AM PDT by mpreston
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9 posted on 06/02/2004 8:01:30 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: Radioactive
Besides, any "Oil Shortage" is not actually an Oil Shortage as much as it is a supply of burnable fuels - gasoline, fuel oil, etc. The shortage is in refinability.
10 posted on 06/02/2004 8:02:30 AM PDT by Core_Conservative (Canadians view the world through a sphincter-prism.)
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To: Radioactive
Oil is filling up old wells and many wells not on line have been refilled to capacity.

Yes, but most of that oil is crap oil -- not even worth pumping out of the ground. Today's highly refined gasolines and lubricants demand a high quality raw material.

11 posted on 06/02/2004 8:07:46 AM PDT by pickemuphere
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you have been studing too many facts. your brain will explode not from your knowledge, but from trying to ward off fools.


12 posted on 06/02/2004 8:33:13 AM PDT by q_an_a
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But among the few who doubt it's coming are some who have solid reasons for doubting it, reasons that are based on evidence, not on myths about the origins of petroleum and extrapolations of scarcity based upon them.

I keep calling Paul Erlich to see if he wants to bet me on the price of a barrel of oil in the next 5-10 years (ala the late Julian Simon).

He hasn't returned my calls.

13 posted on 06/02/2004 8:38:15 AM PDT by TomB ("The terrorist wraps himself in the world's grievances to cloak his true motives." - S. Rushdie)
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. . crap oil , actually, refiners are getting good at crap oil, it's a big secret.

They can get it real cheap, makes for big margins.

In fact, the $40+ stuff is really for market players, when the ship comes in the assayers negotiate discounts accordingly.

Most refiners never pay anything near that.

It's a big show.

14 posted on 06/02/2004 8:45:06 AM PDT by norraad ("What light!">Blues Brothers)
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To: q_an_a
you have been studing too many facts. your brain will explode not from your knowledge, but from trying to ward off fools.

Naw, I just let the fools take care of themselves. Pretty soon they'll fill up the ditches.
15 posted on 06/02/2004 8:57:06 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Brett66

"I'm not so much concerned about the supply as I'm concerned about environmental restrictions on drilling for new supplies"

While I don't underestimate the negative impacts to the American economy of the watermelon's attacks on drilling, the real bottleneck in with refining.

Thanks to the collusion between Communists, socialists, and the enviro-whackos, no new refineries have been built for a generation. Next time you run across a Democrat or an enviro, remind them that this oil problem is the result of their deliberate actions.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 9:03:04 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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17 posted on 06/02/2004 10:02:36 AM PDT by holdmuhbeer
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To: pickemuphere
You said..."Yes, but most of that oil is crap oil...."

I say..WRONG!!!!!

According to Thomas Gold....this oil is as every bit as good as any other oil that comes from the middle east.

I've seen the reports and they indicate that oil is not as finite as we are told.

The oil reserves are actually over 100 times the stated amounts.

We have enough oil in this country alone to last us over 300 and possibly 1000 years......if we can develope the technology to get at the oil underneath us which is about 2 1/2 miles beneath us.

18 posted on 06/02/2004 11:11:28 AM PDT by Radioactive
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You said..."Besides, any "Oil Shortage" is not actually an Oil Shortage as much as it is a supply of burnable fuels - gasoline, fuel oil, etc. The shortage is in refinability."

I say.....Yeah and the Saudi's said they would bankroll a refinery here in the US...but the government said no....too many pollution regulations and no where to build it because EPA would never allow it to be built.

19 posted on 06/02/2004 11:13:20 AM PDT by Radioactive
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To: Radioactive; kinghorse; All
Oil is filling up old wells and many wells not on line have been refilled to capacity. Oil wells are being filled from the bottom up...which means that oil has no come up from INSIDE the planet. The earth is creating oil right now...not depending on dinosaurs or plancton to do this

How come then that the oil wells in Texas and Oklahoma (those are the ones I am familiar with) have not, to use your words, 'filled up to capacity?' Or is this 'topping up from within' 'phenomenon' only pertinent to certain oil wells ....those in places like the Bering Sea and the Middle East (which are, conveniently, much harder to keep tabs on when it comes to actual - instead of the wildly estimated - levels).

Acoording to many scientists including Thomas Gold, oil is being created every day and is being spilled into the oceans at a rate far greater than what man is using in a day.

Many scientists! Hmmm, that is a relative word. Many means a multitude ....but what if many more disagree? Can you still say 'many scientists?' Anyways, that is base semantics. As for T. Gold. He is a bright person, for sure, but he is still a contrarian. His views are not taken for gospel truth by most in the industry.

Now, does that say anything? Honestly ...no. Just because someone is a contrarian does not mean the person is wrong. Infact, most of the great movers and shakers throughout history have shared one thing in common ....good or bad, they have been contrarians. Each and every one of them. Hence, I am not holding T. Gold's contrarian assertions against him (in fact, I do not dismiss his work. He may very well be onto something).

But making the guy appear like the know-all-end-all authority on the matter of world petroleum reserves, and making his notions appears to be true when they are at best extremely hard to prove theories, is stretching it too far.

But I guess the question of who is right ....T.Gold, or the petro-industry scientific establishment, shall soon be evident. If oil peak is going to occur, and more oil doesn't 'bubble up from the mantle and top up the oil wells,' then I guess the correct group will be evident for all to see. And with China gobbling up more and more oil the results should occur even faster.

Hence it is a waiting game.

20 posted on 06/02/2004 1:21:45 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear missiles: The ultimate Phallic symbol.)
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