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To: P-Marlowe; PleaseNoMore
You are so right. Taking up our cross even means the cross of death. I simply cannot swallow the excuses given here when reading Jesus' words.

"Then what is your excuse for not actively taking the gospel message into Saudi Arabia, or the Sudan and preaching Christ to the Muslims. They need Christ, don't they? So where are the Christians that are called to bring them the gospel?

You, as a Christian, have been given the great commission to take the gospel to all nations. Saudi Arabia is a Nation. The gospel is not actively being preached there. There is a definite need, is there not? So take it there. If you dare."

Jesus said this: "Also He said to them, "In whatever place you enter a house, stay there till you depart from that place. And whoever will not receive you nor hear you, when you depart from there, shake off the dust under your feet as a testimony against them. Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city!" [Mark 6:10-12] and also in Matt 10: 13-15 & Luke 9:4-6

Then, Jesus also said: "Do not give that which is holy (the sacred thing) to the dogs, and do not throw your pearls before hogs, lest they trample upon them with their feet and turn and tear you in pieces." Matt 7:6

Missionaries have been and continue to witness and preach the gospel to the Saudis. Mostly in underground Churches, but it's being done. However, Christians are not received in Saudi Arabia and they often lose their heads for it. So, Jesus said that if they will not receive you (or His gospel) then depart and shake the very dust off you sandals as a testimony against them.

Then, there is trying to witness for Christ and preach the gospel to those hostile to Christ and His gospel... Jesus said not to give that which is holy to them, lest they trample upon them and tear you to pieces.

Example: Martin and Gracia Burnham taken hostage by Abu Sayf in the Philippines. They witnessed to their captures the gospel of Christ. The Abu Sayf members told them flat out in more or less this way that "we know all bout your God and his Christ and we reject it. We choose Islam and Allah and his prophet" So, the Burnham's stopped preaching and witnessing to them and only prayed for each other and they prayed for their enemies (only to themselves). The Burnhams quit giving that which is holy to the dogs. The same goes for Saudi Arabia: The country has banned Christianity, Christians, the Bible and preaching or teaching of Christianity. Same situation here as Abu Sayf in the Philippines.

However, all that being said, God is still in charge and "He will make a way, where there seems to be no way" as the song goes. That way is called satellites. The Saudis are very well off and lovers and owners of many "Western" goods. Saudis have satellite dishes and satellite radios in huge numbers. On those satellite TVs and radios they watch Christian television programs from CBN and Trinity Broadcasting Network in their own language. Also they listen to Christian radio programs and teaching on their satellite radios at home or in their cars without the "Religious Police" able to stop them. The same goes in Iran as well. Satellite dishes and radio is everywhere in the Middle East and the gospel is being preached. Arabic Bibles are being smuggled into these countries in huge numbers. I know, I've sent many. God is making a way.

"Otherwise, don't judge this Christian man for his failings and don't pretend you'd do better in his situation. At least he is brave enough to be a Christian in such an anti-Christian nation."

I am not judging this man. I am commanded not to because judgement of this man is for God Himself to do. I judge myself and my actions. I do judge others actions against the Word of God with regards to what I do and how I live. For example, if someone jumps off a building, I judge that to be wrong and don't do that. I judge myself and those who break God's Commandments to be sinning. That type of judgement we are to do. Judgement that belongs to God, such as to whether this man is saved or lost, forgiven or condemned is not for me but for God alone.

714 posted on 06/02/2004 12:23:15 PM PDT by KriegerGeist ("In the war on terror there is no substitute for victory" General Douglas MacArthur (and GK))
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To: Geist Krieger
The problem that was originally encountered on this thread was a statement that by denying that he was a "Christian" this man lost his eternal life. But the fact is that he, just like Peter, was put to the test, and he, like Peter, failed that test.

But God is forgiving and he gives us many chances to get it right (490 at a minimum). I would imagine that because of his experience, he will be bolder the next time. The fact that he admitted at this time that he lied to the terrorists is courage enough for me. He has set himself up as a prime target for their next attack. That's more than I can say about me.

718 posted on 06/02/2004 5:06:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Free the GRPL 3)
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