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Christian lied about faith to survive Saudi siege
Reuters ^ | 31 May 2004 14:43:21 GMT | Samia Nakhoul

Posted on 05/31/2004 9:00:49 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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To: Lijahsbubbe

Is it better to live a life or have a soul eternally saved? Not a taunt, but a question


322 posted on 05/31/2004 11:57:19 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: DocRock

Thanks Doc. I Like the freepers alot and I find fit in with most views. I tend to stay away from religous arguments though as I really dont have anything to contribute. I do find it curious how many Christians here have different interpretations of the same writings. Maybe the Moslems have similar problems with thier religions? Actually based on differnt reports I can say with some certainty that they do have problems with thier interpretations.


323 posted on 05/31/2004 11:58:57 AM PDT by awesome1
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

>>A Christian Arab who was held captive by al Qaeda militants in Saudi Arabia said on Monday he lied to them about his faith and praised their battle against the West, to save his life.

The Preacher said: "For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion." -- Ecclesiastes 9:4


324 posted on 05/31/2004 12:01:23 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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To: AndrewC
I asked where Jesus said that he would rid the land of Romans and restore Israel.

He didn't. That is what the Messiah was expected to be by the Jews of the day, and it is evident from many of the things the disciples said or asked that they had a great deal of difficulty seeing Jesus without that presuppositional grid.

You imply that motivation for Peter in justifying your characterization of Peter's action in denying the Christ 3 times.

I didn't "imply" anything of the kind. The disciples were disillusioned by Christ's death and probably thought they had wasted three years of their life following a false Messiah.

None of what I have said is outside the mainstream interpretation of the Gospels. Don't blame me if you haven't done your homework.

325 posted on 05/31/2004 12:02:04 PM PDT by RansomOttawa
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To: awesome1
"I do find it curious how many Christians here have different interpretations of the same writings"

When confronted with a problem in doctrine, I usually refer to James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. 6. But let him ask in faith, nothering wavering."
326 posted on 05/31/2004 12:04:54 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: sauropod
I do remember St. Peter denying the Master three times. The Lord forgave him, as I remember it.

Until one is faced with such a horrifying situation, it is not your place, nor mine, to criticize.

327 posted on 05/31/2004 12:09:40 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Lijahsbubbe
"It says He does not reward us according to our sins."

That is true in that He doesn't hand down the judgement we deserve. His hand of judgement is tempered by mercy. That doesn't mean that we don't reap what we have sown. A woman might go out and have a one-night stand and become pregnant, go to God and repent and be forgiven. That doesn't mean that He will take away the consequences of that sin (the baby).

328 posted on 05/31/2004 12:10:34 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: dwills
"purge the jesusbots"

Alarm bells should be ringing for followers of Jesus when they see these words.
329 posted on 05/31/2004 12:11:21 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: jern

How does quoting a biblical passage make one a nut job?


330 posted on 05/31/2004 12:14:32 PM PDT by Not A Snowbird (You need tons click "co-ordinating")
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To: FITZ

Yup. That's pretty much it esp. if he stays where he is.


331 posted on 05/31/2004 12:15:34 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: GretchenM
"That was before Peter was indwelt by the Holy Spirit who gives us power to be Christ's witnesses; it was before he had entered into the fulness of salvation."

How can you be sure that this Jordanian man was indwelt by the Holy Spirit; that he had come into the fullness of his salvation? There are Christians at all stages of maturity on their journey. We cannot judge. We can do no more than we are doing here...speculate on how God might view the man's actions, all the while recognizing that it is between God and the man himself.

332 posted on 05/31/2004 12:15:47 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sauropod

baloney.
I John 1:9...

yes.
we can sin and "get away with it."
we all do it... every single day, by omission or comission, we all deny Christ.

how many times a day can you deny christ and get a way with it?
If HE follows his own standard laid down to peter and the apostles... at least 490 times.. "70 times 7"...

If God breaks his own word regarding forgiveness of sins confessed, heaven might as well be hell. I have no interest in following a merciless god who does not keep his own commandments and guidelines, and breaks his promises to forgive and cleanse of ALL sins, whenever we confess them...

That kind of god, would be the devil.

Only man made religions, could be so stupid as to believe in such a god.

Jesus forgave peter after his denial.
Judas could have been forgiven, had he confessed his sin, instead of hanging himself. God is no respector of persons.


333 posted on 05/31/2004 12:17:01 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (better get that pocket prayer rug and compass ready.)
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To: JeepInMazar

out of context.


334 posted on 05/31/2004 12:17:30 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (better get that pocket prayer rug and compass ready.)
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To: sauropod

I don't know God enough. I'll be getting into heaven by the skin of my teeth.


335 posted on 05/31/2004 12:17:40 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Yep. If God gave us what we really deserved, we'd all be finished. God is very merciful I think.


337 posted on 05/31/2004 12:20:16 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: DocRock

Doc, I agree that the time of persecution of Christians right here in the USA is drawing near. Within twenty years, I believe Christianity will be treated as some kind of wacko fringe by the overwhelming majority of mainstream America.

MM


338 posted on 05/31/2004 12:24:28 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Miss Marple

Exactly. How many people on this thread have ever been threatened at gunpoint over their religion. Come on, raise your hands. Oh, none of you, I see. How many of you KNOW whether this man will be forgiven? Oh, none of you. Wow. A lot of judgement for not much knowledge.


339 posted on 05/31/2004 12:26:25 PM PDT by smcmike
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To: isthisnickcool
He lied to the devil. The joke is on Satan.

Good point. And it may have been God, or a Guardian Angel, who placed that Koran near enough to him that he was able to deceive the devil and save his life (and maybe continue to provide for his family on earth -- I didn't read the details).

340 posted on 05/31/2004 12:26:33 PM PDT by steve86
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