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To: TrueBeliever9

I never meant to call you a liar, and I didn't. I'm sure you know a nurse and she told you stories about her adventures. How you characterize these stories can be mistaken without being a lie. Lying is intentional and often malicious, and I make no such accusation against you.

I do believe that you weren't there nor do you claim to have been. I know for a fact that stories passed from one to another nearly always are transformed in small ways that can add up. Also, memories can evolve over time.

Bhutan or Nepal become Tibet, for example. Maybe she told you about working among Tibetan refugees. Can you swear that this isn't the case?

You also make no mention whatever of when this all took place. That bears very much on the weight the story carries. If this all took place back in the 1930's for example it would mean little as an illustration of life in Tibet today.

And, are you saying that this woman was working as a foreigner in communist China in one of their most sensitive areas where foreigners were not even allowed to travel at all until very recently?

You will have to excuse me for expressing skepticism about the details of your post without immediately taking umbrage and accusing me of calling you a liar.

Signed

Dorje Chotrin
(aka John Valentine)


53 posted on 05/30/2004 10:25:42 PM PDT by John Valentine ("The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein)
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To: John Valentine
And, are you saying that this woman was working as a foreigner in communist China in one of their most sensitive areas where foreigners were not even allowed to travel at all until very recently?

I stated that the nurse gave her presentation in 1986; she had been there for one year (as was her contract).

http://omni.cc.purdue.edu/~wtv/tibet/history10.html

This person was there in 1988! Here is his excerpt from the Purdue website. As far as I can observe during my trip to Tibet in 1988, there are very few Han in Tibet. In fact, in Tibet (proper), there are only 2 millions people with some 70,000 non-Tibetan (including soldiers). There are at least 10 different subraces in the Greater Tibet (a term not commonly used, including Qinghai, parts of Szechuan and Yunnan, corresponding to Tibet Dynasty). Most of the subraces have been there for tens of centuries and probably were the natives of the land before the Tibetans immigrating to there. Out of a total population of some 13 millions, 3.8 millions (some western writters like to use a figure of 6 millions) are Tibetans , 2 % are Han (somewhere around 200,000 people including soldiers), the rest are Moslems, Mongolians, Turks, Tu, Baiyi, Yi etc. Some propagandists counted them as `Chinese migrations', and concluded wrongly that there were more `Chinese' than Tibetans in the land of Tibet. It was unreasonable to re-build Tibet Dynasty in today's world, just as to re-build a Serb dominating Yugoslavia. This was an irrationality of `Tibet Independent Movement' as proposed which includes Qinghai, parts of Szechuan and Yunnan.

So some people with the right Karma were going and coming from Tibet!

54 posted on 05/30/2004 11:20:49 PM PDT by TrueBeliever9 (Life is uncertain. Ride your best horse first. Unknown but sounds like John Wayne.)
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