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What clique Indie?

The clique that says some people are "off limits" and others are not. Everyone on here has the right to talk you know. And yes everyone has a right to be critical where criticism is due and criticism is due right now about you.

If somebody says they have info but won't post it, then why say thyey have info?? You take up for them only because you know them from outside. You wouldn't have taken up for someone else doing something this egotistical.
Then you go ping and tattle to the moderator.

This is getting old and all you are doing is running people off who do not agree with you. Good people like grizz.

So. Grow up and get off your high horse.

Modern Muslim Timeline of Events see link below.

More dates in history some that stick out before the election.

1967, June 5th-10th - marks a Six Day War between the Arabs and the Israelis.

1968, June 5th - The assassination of Robert Kennedy by Sirhan Sirhan, working with Khaiber Khan.

1979, July 16th - Saddam Hussein overthrows President Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr. He used violence to maintain this new found power.

1995, June 26th - The third attempt on the life of Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak. He survives another assasination attempt. Islamic fundamentalists claim the attack. Two gunmen and two Ethiopian policemen are killed in Addid Ababa as a result.

1995, July 4th - Two Britons and two Americans are kidnapped by armed Kashmir rebels. The kidnappers were Muslims fighting for Kashmir's Independence from India.

1995, July 9th - John Childs, one of the American hostages, escapes from his captors. He gives information about the location of the other three men. Kashmiri rebels are demanding the return of 22 imprisoned Muslims for the three remaining men.

1995, July 16th - Two American citizens are released by Saddam Hussein, after being sentenced to eight years in prison for entering Iraq illegally.

1995, July 24th - Suicide bomber kills five in Tel Aviv. Thirty are injured after a radical Arab blew himself up on a Tel Aviv bus.

http://www.angelfire.com/mi/RedBearsDream/ModMuslimTL.html

"if somebody says they have info but won't post it, then why say thyey have info?? You take up for them only because you know them from outside. You wouldn't have taken up for someone else doing something this egotistical.
Then you go ping and tattle to the moderator."

Think you have it all figured out don't you Indie? Well I know SP on the outside. I know her because she has been here on this thread from the beginning. I know her by what she has done here and how she has proven herself. And because of that Indie I know she is not a teaser or a hit and run poster. I know that she was struggling with this...Not because she told me(She has not talked to me), but because I have paid attention to who she is...and the rest is just self explanitary if you care to have a heart and take off your narrow vision glasses. I honestly believe that had people treated SP with respect and realized what kind of good and hard working person she is...and how much stress she is under reading the forums and translating them so that you might wake up tommorow morning...anyone who might have cared to see that...Probably would have heard from her and found the answer they were looking for. Just keep all that in mind when you see fit to trash her...OK!

Indie,

I love you dearly.

But you have lived long enough to know that at one point in time, it may seem right, fitting, wise, good, productive and healthy . . . for whatever goals in whatever context . . .

to say or do XYZ.

And sometimes the next 5 minutes, 5 hours, 24 hours, week,

It can suddenly appear 180 degrees the opposite for very reasonable reasons.

And that's under the best of circumstances with the best of intentions and all the information available.

LIFE IS JUST *THAT* COMPLEX.

PEOPLE ARE JUST *THAT* COMPLEX.

Assuming, imputing, assigning motives without sufficient 'inside the skin' understanding is HAZARDOUS at best and generally rather arrogant and foolhardy--especially with insufficient data.

I prefer to trust folks who generally appear to make every effort to be constructive, helpful, contributive, reasonable, fair-minded etc . . . I PREFER TO GIVE SUCH FOLKS HEREON WAY MORE THAN THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

And, even when some untoward, ornery, bad faith bunch of facts have been repeatedly rubbed in my face, I'd still prefer to bend over backwards and do a long series of back flips rather than hazard the generaly very significant and amazing amount of unity in a common purpose and spirit so persistently in evidence on this thread.

Some things are an incredibly greater priority. And that unity of purpose and spirit is one of them.

There's no need to deny reality etc. But one can exhort in a spirit of tentative understanding and brotherly love through freepmail. If that still is not sufficiently satisfying, then bring in an old timer who's likely to be a wise third perspective and good at bridging differences--still in FREEPMAIL.

I can't think of many good reasons to disrupt the public tone and spirit of the thread for selfish, brittle, lopsided, limited, and/or personal perspectives which are likely to be greatly flawed [due to never having ALL the information from ALL sides and perspectives] at best, anyway.

imho.