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To: FairOpinion
"Iraq developed a crude type of binary munition, whereby the final mixing of the two precursors to the agent was done inside the munition just before delivery." Someone actually had to physically pour the components of the Sarin (or other type of G-series nerve agent) into the shells before they could be fired.

Nope- the precursors are loaded when the shell is manufactured- firing the shell, and the resultant spin imparted by the rifling causes a wall between the two containers to rupture, and mixes the prescursors.

Also, I suspect it was a 155mm artillery round, not a mortar round.

Much as I support the war, and think we need to stay the course...I don't think this proves there are stockpiles of WMD sitting around in Iraq. They may have been moved to syria, who knows. But I don't think a single round makes our case. For one thing, why use a single round? Why not use a truck load?

I still think we were right to go in, and I beleive SH would have restarted/ramped up his production had sanctions been lifted, but I don't think this is the smoking gun we're looking for.

11 posted on 05/29/2004 10:42:21 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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To: fourdeuce82d

How do you know we didn't find tons of the two materials, which only become sarin, when mixed, and therefore also "didn't count".

And how much smallpox or anthrax do you think would count as WMD? A vial you can put in your pocked could kill thousands even millions, as it spreads.

WMD is not classified as WMD, only if you have tons of something.

What we found was not some lab protype, but an operational shell. Clearly if there is one, there are more, we just don't know where.


12 posted on 05/29/2004 10:47:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: fourdeuce82d

What about the high concentrations of mustard gas and cyanide we found in the Euphrates? There is plenty of evidence, but because we didn't find 10 tons of each fully mixed WMD properly labeled in 6 inch letters, nothing seems to count. As we see, they didn't need actual sarin, only the precursors, which people also won't accept as proof -- or rather the media doesn't.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-04-iraq-white-vials_x.htm

Marines reportedly find cyanide, mustard agents in Euphrates
From staff and wire reports

Marine units testing drinking water found cyanide and mustard agents in the Euphrates River, MSNBC reported, as concerns mounted that Iraq would resort to chemical weapons as coalition troops closed on Baghdad.


14 posted on 05/29/2004 10:52:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: fourdeuce82d
Nope- the precursors are loaded when the shell is manufactured- firing the shell, and the resultant spin imparted by the rifling causes a wall between the two containers to rupture, and mixes the prescursors.

What you are describing is one type of shell - the type that went off the other day. What they are describing is a cruder type of shell that the Iraqis had been making previously.

26 posted on 05/30/2004 5:16:41 AM PDT by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: fourdeuce82d

"Also, I suspect it was a 155mm artillery round, not a mortar round."

It is not mentioned here, but discussed on FR earlier, it was an unmarked shell, not different in appearance than the regular 155mm artillery rounds. Thus any quantity of these could be amoungst the vast quantites of ordinary munitions, in plain sight of any weapons inspectors. In fact, it is possible that Sadaam's stratagy called for a mix of sarin and regular shells in any artillery action.


33 posted on 05/30/2004 1:14:56 PM PDT by Western Phil
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