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The Sound of Silence: Iraq's WMDs Found (good factual info)
Men's News Daily ^ | May 28, 2004 | Joe Mariani

Posted on 05/29/2004 9:28:28 PM PDT by FairOpinion

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1 posted on 05/29/2004 9:28:29 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

Kool-Aid avec Sarin goes great!


2 posted on 05/29/2004 9:41:15 PM PDT by Waco
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To: FairOpinion

It is important to note that the shell was a binary delivery system. UNSCOM supposedly accounted for all that existed in Iraq (circa of construction, the mid to late 90's), but AT LEAST one escaped the Ritter smoke screens. The construction time is the essential point ... if produced during the clinton administration period, this is evidence of an ongoing WMD program that had to be stopped!


3 posted on 05/29/2004 9:42:22 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: FairOpinion

Hope this is the real deal and gets broadcast loudly.


4 posted on 05/29/2004 9:50:23 PM PDT by Kate of Spice Island (sKerry to imagine the Kerry's swearing around Tony Blair or anyone else in power.)
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To: MHGinTN

Note that we had no clue, until Saddam's son-in-law defected and told us about it. He also told us about other chem and biological weapons developments, which the media and even the intel community called in question. This find also proves that he told us the truth about this and most likely about the other stuff too.

"Iraq's first field-test of a binary-type shell containing sarin was in 1988, U.S. defense officials have noted. Saddam's government only disclosed that it was testing and producing sarin after Iraqi weapons chief Lt. Gen. Hussein Kamel al-Majid, Saddam's son-in-law, defected in 1995. But Iraq never declared any sarin or shells filled with sarin remained. "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-4133894,00.html


5 posted on 05/29/2004 10:06:35 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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The discovery of this Sarin gas mortar round only confirms that Saddam's WMDs ARE out there, somewhere. And the scarey part is that they could be in the hands of terrorists.

And these idiot liberals and Dems are busy attacking Bush because the stockpiles have not been found. Do they have any clue as to what danger we are in?

6 posted on 05/29/2004 10:14:14 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: FairOpinion

*BUMP*!


7 posted on 05/29/2004 10:26:43 PM PDT by ex-Texan
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To: FairOpinion
In 1995, Iraq changed its estimates and reported it had produced only 210 tons of tabun and 790 tons of sarin." (Yes, that's tons.)

Am I the only one that thinks that 790 tons is a LOT of sarin?

This type of chemical warfare shell had never been declared by Iraq -- it was not even known that Iraq had ever made them. The 1999 UNSCOM report on Iraq reported that thirty binary/Sarin shells were known to exist, and stated that all had been accounted for.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and bet that there's more shells somewhere. If the democrats would just shut the hell up and let Bush do his job, we might get to the bottom of this before one goes off in the US.

8 posted on 05/29/2004 10:29:52 PM PDT by Grim
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It seems that the despicable strategy of the Democrats is to obstruct Bush's ability to fight the war on terror, then if an attack occurs, they can blame Bush, for not being effective, if there is no attack, than they have the "threat of terrorism is exaggerated" card. Note the news media, never talks about what happened on 9-11 -- they may mention "9-11", but no pictures, no reminders -- while they spent an entire month putting Abu Ghraib pictures on front pages.

I think if there was more support for the war at home, we would already have invaded Iran or Syria or both, since those countries are the ones who are sending the foreign fighters and funding the Iraqi "insurgency". That would have put an end to the Iraqi "resistance" in short order.


10 posted on 05/29/2004 10:40:39 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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"Iraq developed a crude type of binary munition, whereby the final mixing of the two precursors to the agent was done inside the munition just before delivery." Someone actually had to physically pour the components of the Sarin (or other type of G-series nerve agent) into the shells before they could be fired.

Nope- the precursors are loaded when the shell is manufactured- firing the shell, and the resultant spin imparted by the rifling causes a wall between the two containers to rupture, and mixes the prescursors.

Also, I suspect it was a 155mm artillery round, not a mortar round.

Much as I support the war, and think we need to stay the course...I don't think this proves there are stockpiles of WMD sitting around in Iraq. They may have been moved to syria, who knows. But I don't think a single round makes our case. For one thing, why use a single round? Why not use a truck load?

I still think we were right to go in, and I beleive SH would have restarted/ramped up his production had sanctions been lifted, but I don't think this is the smoking gun we're looking for.

11 posted on 05/29/2004 10:42:21 PM PDT by fourdeuce82d
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How do you know we didn't find tons of the two materials, which only become sarin, when mixed, and therefore also "didn't count".

And how much smallpox or anthrax do you think would count as WMD? A vial you can put in your pocked could kill thousands even millions, as it spreads.

WMD is not classified as WMD, only if you have tons of something.

What we found was not some lab protype, but an operational shell. Clearly if there is one, there are more, we just don't know where.


12 posted on 05/29/2004 10:47:01 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: BOBWADE; Mrs Zip

ping


13 posted on 05/29/2004 10:49:16 PM PDT by zip (Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of americans)
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To: fourdeuce82d

What about the high concentrations of mustard gas and cyanide we found in the Euphrates? There is plenty of evidence, but because we didn't find 10 tons of each fully mixed WMD properly labeled in 6 inch letters, nothing seems to count. As we see, they didn't need actual sarin, only the precursors, which people also won't accept as proof -- or rather the media doesn't.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-04-04-iraq-white-vials_x.htm

Marines reportedly find cyanide, mustard agents in Euphrates
From staff and wire reports

Marine units testing drinking water found cyanide and mustard agents in the Euphrates River, MSNBC reported, as concerns mounted that Iraq would resort to chemical weapons as coalition troops closed on Baghdad.


14 posted on 05/29/2004 10:52:55 PM PDT by FairOpinion (If you are not voting for Bush, you are voting for the terrorists.)
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To: FairOpinion

bump


15 posted on 05/29/2004 11:02:31 PM PDT by VOA
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To: FairOpinion

There you have it.


16 posted on 05/29/2004 11:04:15 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (Save Terri Schiavo!!!)
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To: FairOpinion

Print later.


17 posted on 05/29/2004 11:05:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies: foreign and domestic RATmedia agree Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: FairOpinion
Thanks for posting this;I've bookmarked it.

Lots and LOTS of lethal weapons, in this article,to use against the idiots,who are still screaming about "no WMDS". :-)

18 posted on 05/29/2004 11:09:16 PM PDT by nopardons
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It has already been verified by a full lab...that was posted last week. This is most definitely the real deal and the analysis here screams to be front page news


19 posted on 05/29/2004 11:09:24 PM PDT by jnarcus
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No one seems to remember any longer the stockpiles of chemical suits and gas masks which were found in hospitals and schools during the march to Baghdad. Why else were they there except to guard the Iraqi army against the WMD to be unleased upon us? I thank psy-ops for deterring these weapons being released to harm our troops.


20 posted on 05/29/2004 11:18:07 PM PDT by ZOTnot (I'll take the side of Israel. Woe to its enemies.)
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