Welcome to Canada's gay high school

Globe and Mail ^ | May 29, 2004 | Alanna Mitchell

[Loyalist]

Let the condemnation of this depravity, and the off-colour one-liners, begin!

[HiTech RedNeck]

Alex says she does. With a horseshoe-shaped ring hanging between her nostrils, and goth-influenced clothes and makeup, she may look tough. But she shakes her head gently as she recalls the stream of hostile e-mail she got after telling a friend at her Catholic girls school she thought she might be lesbian.

Wimp.

[baltodog]

I don't understand gay.

I'm not homophobic, I just don't understand how a person could become gay. Is it a mental disorder? Are some nerve synapses not fully connected, such as in the case of serial killers? Is it because of too many insecticides and chemicals in our environment? I don't know. I don't hate them, I just don't understand them.

That being said, I will love my children forever and if one of them turns out to be gay, I'll still love them. I have a niece and a cousin who are both gay (the non-parading kind) and I love them both very dearly.

But I'm not going to encourage gay behavior, nor will I support it. My children understand that the world is a hard place to live sometimes, and if a person's behavior warrants criticism from others, so be it. I'm not going to send them to a special school where that behavior is accepted.

[ovrtaxt]

If they were in Green Bay instead of Canada, the football team could be the Fudgepackers!

[DH]

"bundle their legs underneath tables"

No more needs to be said!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ovrtaxt]

The afternoon sessions represent Triangle's heart and soul, a course of study on issues, literature and history of lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered people that can be grafted to the different abilities of students, who could be anywhere from 14 to 23.

Great. With a curriculum like this, they can grow up to be gay AND stupid!

[nmh]

"I have a niece and a cousin who are both gay (the non-parading kind) and I love them both very dearly."

Have you ever considered getting them help, that is if you really love them? These is nothing normal about being "gay" whether they parade around or not.

A great organization, Exodus has had great success in getting to the root of their emotional problem and overcoming it. It's on the Internet. I gently suggest you investigate, that is if you really love them.

[Radioactive]

They ain't Gay...they are SODOMITES.

Do not let them define the word gay........they are not gay....they are sad individuals with a mental problem.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

gay students still report being abused in high numbers, and studies suggest that their suicide rates are higher than those of other young people. They also show greater rates of drug and alcohol use and incidence of depression.

All signs that they are in a harmful and destructive mental state. Their homosexuality is just one more SYMPTOM of the problem. But it is much easier to blame others.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I had a niece who was gay too. I took my frustrations out online rather than saying anything to her.

I teased her once because she had a hickey on her neck. (All I did was ask her what's that mark on your neck. She looked embarrassed and came up with some lame answer. I looked at her mom and we both snickered. My niece knew then that I knew what it was and she laughed too.)

The only time I said anything was when she mentioned it to me. She said she wasn't going to live that lifestyle forever. She thought the people were weirdos -- especially the men -- and she wanted out. She thought her girlfriend was a nice person and everything, and that there was nothing actually WRONG with it, but she wanted out. I told her that I thought it was wrong but that I loved her anyway because she's my niece. That's it.

She shot herself about two months after that conversation. She was almost 22 when she died. Was I right to stay silent? I don't think so.

[CzarNicky]

Didn't we already do this in New York City and immediately find that they started bullying each other?

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

She also stole money from me once and I never confronted her about that either. Her mother paid me back. In hindsight, you don't do anyone any favors by ignoring their negative behaviors.

I did have a conversation with her sister once. We had a borderline argument over the gay issue. She talked about gay kids at school. I told her that she could like people without approving of everything they did. She asked if she should "hate" her sister. I said of course not, but did she also approve of her sister's other actions -- like stealing, running around with gangs, etc.? After her sister's death, she is no longer so sympathetic. She understands that her sister and her girlfriends (there were many) were very troubled people. She knew that at the time really. She just felt cool having a cutting-edge opinion. It made her feel smarter than her mother and her aunt. It's sad.

My niece was introduced to this whole gay concept in school. She went to juvenile detention where she had her first lesbian experience. She met people there who brought her into their lesbian social group. They were 10+ years older than she was. State counseling just affirmed her. State social services gave her foster kids. They were then lucky enough to be part of the whole suicide experience. The whole thing is an atrocity that happened BECAUSE of state tolerance of homosexuality.

She died from a bullet from a state owned gun. Her girlfriend was a police officer and it was her unsecured gun.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I think they were bullying their "johns" actually.

[Sender]

I want the rainbow back.

[3catsanadog]

These so-called "gay" students - their suicides are always blamed on homophobia, but if one were to really investigate the history, I would bet that many of them were molested by homosexuals. And now with the schools pushing acceptance and tolerance, if a youngster protested a gay hitting on them, it would probably be interpreted as being bigoted on his or her part.

What a mess this group has created for our children.

[elfman2]

" Is it a mental disorder?"

I think that’s pretty much the best analogy . Just like other mental disorders, evidence is inconclusive on what the biological/environmental mix is, but there definitely is an environmental component, shown by analysis of twin separated at birth studies.

[elfman2]

I think that you did the right thing. Sounds like you were her friend, what she most needed. I’m sorry.

[gogipper]

I told her that I thought it was wrong but that I loved her anyway because she's my niece.

In the end this is what mattered.

[I still care]

"These so-called "gay" students - their suicides are always blamed on homophobia, but if one were to really investigate the history, I would bet that many of them were molested by homosexuals."

I am with you 100%. So many people I have met who say they are "gay", and actually people with real relationship problems. Every one of them has told me they were molested at a young age by one sex or the other. And they have a whole host of abnormal behaviors that seems to go along with it.

Just look at Rosie. The gay "Queen of Nice". Well, turned out in the end she's not so nice, is she? Problems everywhere she goes.

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

What a mess this group has created for our children.

That's the truth. My sister didn't even know what was going on with her daughter. The so-called state "counselors" aren't supposed to share what they talk about -- often even with the parents. I would NEVER trust my child to a whacked-out liberal counselor. My sister didn't know until it was really to far gone. I'm not saying she was perfect, but the so-called "help" she sought turned out to be worse that the problem itself.

My niece was molested at age 2 and 10. The first guy was a 70-something year-old idiot neighbor of my mother's. The second guy was a chiropractor "friend" of my sister's. My niece's father (never married to her mother) was also tragically paralyzed in a car accident when she was 10. She didn't have a lot to do with him (he was a major loser, but still her dad). It still hurt her. She had a real issue with men in general -- UNDERSTANDABLY. This was one of the ways she dealt with that.