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To: Poohbah

Good grief, you have missed the point entirely, again.

Nowhere in my post did I state I worked with SF and Rhodies on this issue. Indulging in a bit of misdirection again? Or you just can't stay focused? My background with them is in infantry tactics period. In other words, what works. In this specific scenario the only thing that will work is to make the stupid ba$tard on the south side of the river (or trampled barbed wire fence) have an intense burning desire to STAY on the south side.

This does have an answer and it does not involve passing numb-nutted laws that impose a fine or two on employers. Never worked in the past, lord only knows why anyone except a politician though it would work now. So, that's out.

Jail and deportation? Nope. Got that now and guess what? Now we have very full jails. Big deal.

How about public outcry and major majority support for getting rid of the illegals? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Public outcry and majority of opinion does not mean squat to politicians that accept contributions for ignoring the issue.

Nope, the one thing that is gonna make Jose the border bunny give pause is seeing his good buddy Pedro with a blank stare, a hickie on his forehead and most of the back of his skull headed for mexico city. This is accomplished by placing troops on the border (specifically not SF or Rangers, just as I stated in my concept) which, btw, is not in violation of PCA in any way. (more misdirections).

As for blocking a major incursion by airdropping a small force directly onto the block point, the concept is quite valid and worked well enough for the Rhodies (as taught to them by SF vets) to achieve kill ratios in excess of 40 to 1. And those guys were under a $hitload of sanctions, had little equipment beyond chutes and rifles, used ordinary trucks for the after action transportation back to the point of deployment. A few more trucks would retrieve equipment from the DZ and transport the (few) prisoners. By the time the troops got back (30-45 minutes) a new set of packed chutes were laid out on the tarmac and the aircraft was refueled. It was not uncommon for a couple of sticks from a single commando to repeat this process 3 times a day. Try that in today's "Army of One." No, this would never be accomplished by current SF or Rangers. I specifically stated . . . .

""I want full company, Airborne infantry. Nothing fancy they just need to be able to exit the aircraft and not shoot each other once they get on the ground.""

I suppose making crap up is just a habit with you, ya sure did it a lot in your reply.

OK, we ain't talking anything NEAR as scary as Ranger qualified SF. I specifically DO NOT want them educated enough to even think that this will not work. I want them to pay the fu<& attention to what I tell them to do.

Exit the aircraft when the little light turns green and the mean man begins yelling.
Perform all checks and prepare for landing.
Land.
Get out of harness.
Ready your weapon.
Regroup.
Face south.
Prepare to fire on command.

It ain't rocket science, son.

Buy the way, coyotes and border bunnies are not know for sacrificial deployments. Perform well once or twice and that part of the border will be out of business for a while. Perform well on several occasions across the border and George will be getting some very panicky calls from `ol Fox.

Not to worry, this is only until the blockhouses are finished. Speaking of which, I just reread your "analysis" of my longer post. Had to take a break from laughing. Do you work for the fed.gov? You seem to have the government mindset of turning something as simple as a blockhouse into a palace. Dual purpose construction has passed you by as well. You think I am describing building a new State Highway down the entire border! Where the hell did a road come from??? There is no frickin road at all in the concept. (making crap up AGAIN?) Build a road and you have only provided high speed escape routes for the invaders. Your inability to maintain the concept through the description is telling. Think > closure < dude.

No road.

No exotic electronics.

Off the shelf works great, if you know what you are doing. If that means kicking every damn worthless fed out of the concept and construction process so be it. We did that very thing when FAA tried to stick it's nose into a project of upgrading cell towers for MCI. Locked the dude inside the fenced area of a cell antenna site on top of a bare mountain in New Mexico and left for lunch and eventually dinner, back in town, Let him out right about sundown. He suddenly had a lot of things to do back at his office.

As for the earth shattering threat of identifying an inflatable assault boat somewhere on the east or west coast, well I suppose that would be a great job for you. It will certainly keep you occupied looking for those terrorist crossing the Atlantic in a Zodiac. Or was it deployed from an Afghani sub? I will leave that burning question for you to answer. In the meantime 90% of the threat is right here on the mexican border. As well as economic disaster if the border is not closed. And yes sir, it can be closed. If the damn politicians and payed off LE would get the fu<& out of the way, and the nod from George. Hell, with Presidential approval, even the corrupt LE would not be a problem.

Of course, there will be the whiners that will pee on themselves at the mere mention of actually doing something constructive and spend a great deal of time explaining how it can not be done . . . .

They will stay busy writing reams of details and make thousands of plans. All of which is worth absolute zero if Jose is not "convinced" that it is in his "best interests" to stay south of the border.


347 posted on 06/02/2004 12:54:17 AM PDT by TLI (...........ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA..........)
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To: TLI; hchutch; PRND21; Luis Gonzalez
Nowhere in my post did I state I worked with SF and Rhodies on this issue. Indulging in a bit of misdirection again?

You wrote this:

Six of it was spent learning what is crap from what works from Vet Nam Special Forces and Rodesian Light Infantry veterans.

And now you say you didn't.

You've been caught out in at least one lie.

Nope, the one thing that is gonna make Jose the border bunny give pause is seeing his good buddy Pedro with a blank stare, a hickie on his forehead and most of the back of his skull headed for mexico city.

Congratulations. You just created the world's first capital felony. What next? Shooting people for smoking in the park?

You've also created a class of citizen (i.e., those who have served on the border) who cannot travel outside the United States for any reason, because Mexico will request their extradition for murder. And most of the world will cheerfully grant said extradition. So these people cannot travel outside the US. Are you going to explain that to them when they sign up?

This is accomplished by placing troops on the border (specifically not SF or Rangers, just as I stated in my concept) which, btw, is not in violation of PCA in any way. (more misdirections).

Actually, it is, because the Posse Comitatus Act covers ALL civil law enforcement functions, including the federal government's.

As for blocking a major incursion by airdropping a small force directly onto the block point, the concept is quite valid and worked well enough for the Rhodies (as taught to them by SF vets) to achieve kill ratios in excess of 40 to 1.

I assume the drop zone will be well inside the United States, unless you're willing to start a war with Mexico.

OK, we ain't talking anything NEAR as scary as Ranger qualified SF. I specifically DO NOT want them educated enough to even think that this will not work. I want them to pay the fu<& attention to what I tell them to do.

Exit the aircraft when the little light turns green and the mean man begins yelling.
Perform all checks and prepare for landing.
Land.
Get out of harness.
Ready your weapon.
Regroup.
Face south.
Prepare to fire on command.

It ain't rocket science, son.

Yup, all you need are people on a moral level equivalent to Lon Horiuchi.

Buy the way, coyotes and border bunnies are not know for sacrificial deployments.

Of course, as a smuggler, I could just send one of my less-liked lieutenants through with a big group that's mostly women and children...

And make sure CNN is there to record the results.

How long would your policy survive having its results splashed across America's television screens while Mr. and Mrs. John Q. Public are eating breakfast?

Yup, when a tape showing US personnel shooting large numbers of unarmed women and children hits the networks, I'm sure America will say, "Good show!"

Not to worry, this is only until the blockhouses are finished. Speaking of which, I just reread your "analysis" of my longer post. Had to take a break from laughing. Do you work for the fed.gov? You seem to have the government mindset of turning something as simple as a blockhouse into a palace.

Considering that some of these blockhouses are going to be over 100 miles from civilization, and that all of the water in the area is already allocated for other "beneficial use" (suggested reading: anything to do with water rights in the Southwest), yeah, you're going to have to build some palaces--and you're going to have to import water from a long ways away.

And, bottom line, unless you're paying the border guards at rates that illegal aliens would turn up their noses at, you're paying $150K/year for each body on the border. Bodies are expensive.

As for the earth shattering threat of identifying an inflatable assault boat somewhere on the east or west coast, well I suppose that would be a great job for you. It will certainly keep you occupied looking for those terrorist crossing the Atlantic in a Zodiac. Or was it deployed from an Afghani sub?

Nope, from a freighter that is operating in international waters and never enters US territorial waters. Or are you going to have a P-3 Orion on 24/7 surveillance of each and every ship within 20 miles of the US coastline?

How about public outcry and major majority support for getting rid of the illegals? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Public outcry and majority of opinion does not mean squat to politicians that accept contributions for ignoring the issue.

Money does not win elections.

Votes win elections.

If the public really wants to station people on the border with orders to shoot women and children, then candidates running on that platform have an advantage in getting votes over candidates that don't. Period. End of discussion.

348 posted on 06/02/2004 4:11:29 AM PDT by Poohbah (Four thousand throats may be cut in a single night by a running man -- Kahless the Unforgettable)
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