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To: RedBloodedAmerican
If this attempts to equate Nazi-ism with Enviromentalism or Conservationism, than this is a bunch of B.S.

You can disagreee with Greenpeace as most people do, but come on...

43 posted on 05/27/2004 8:17:15 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: conserv13
If this attempts to equate Nazi-ism with Enviromentalism or Conservationism, than this is a bunch of B.S.

"Equate?" Well, not entirely. But do they share important elements? Absolutely.

The key, which this article tends to dance around, is between whether rights and authority are seen to be individual or collective. The true political spectrum (meaning the one which reasonably describes reality) focuses on this issue. Socialists are well over to the 'all rights are collective' end, whether they call themselves Fascists, International Socialists, Communists, or National Socialists. The proof of that is in the overlapping self-definitions. All the words apply to all the forms of socialism, thus you get 'communists' who are self-described as 'international socialists' who are blatantly nationalist and therefore 'national socialists' who are now called 'fascists'.

The 'greens' or other hyper-environmentalists are also well over into the 'all rights and authorities are collective' end of the spectrum - believing that everyone should be controlled by some central authority's opinion of what is environmentally sound. Their priorities may vary between economic well-being for all (the claim of socialism) or 'sustainable economies', but the key is that they think the economy (and therefore all aspects of a citizen's life) need to be centrally controlled. Hayek laid that out with unassailable clarity. And of course, Lenin recognized that it is easier to take over a revolution than to start one - or by extension - that it is easier to take over a centrally controlled economy than to force those controls on people. Hence, the greens and socialists join forces until the control is established - each thinking that in the end their detail priorities will be used for the controls.
50 posted on 05/27/2004 10:40:32 AM PDT by Gorjus
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