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Escalation Vs. Exit: The Costs of Both (buchanan)
the american cause ^ | May 26, 2004 | pat buchanan

Posted on 05/27/2004 12:24:20 AM PDT by CWOJackson

"Nitwit pundits and Sunday morning television sages, with that faked look of thoughtfulness which is their trademark, talk about an exit strategy – as if it were just one more Mapquest printout. But any such exit strategy will lead us only on a short path to hell."

So writes Tony Blankley, editorial editor at the Washington Times, adding, "The essential strategic element in war is to defeat the enemy's will to win, and accepting anything less than triumph in Iraq will catastrophically embolden the terrorists."

Blankley raises valid and grave questions. He is saying that, no matter where one stood on going to war, we went. Now, anyone who thinks we can swiftly exit Iraq without paying a hellish price is a nitwit.

Blankley is right. Should America pull out now, our enemies across the Islamic world will indeed be emboldened. The perception of American defeat could produce a domino effect running down through the sheikdoms of the Gulf into Saudi Arabia and spreading across the region. Iraq could dissolve into chaos and civil war.

All this is possible. Indeed, the possibility that Iraq could become a giant Lebanon for the United States was among the reasons some of us implored the president not to send our Army up the Euphrates Valley to occupy a city that was the seat of the caliphate for 500 years.

But if there are risks to a too-rapid transfer of sovereignty to Iraqis, there are risks to escalating this war. Query: When Osama sees Sunnis rising up to fight Americans from Fallujah to Baghdad, and Shiites taking up arms in Karbala and Najaf and marching against America in Beirut in the hundreds of thousands, is he not rejoicing that we took the bait and invaded Iraq? Has not the invasion enlarged the recruiting pool for anti-American terrorism?

In the war on terror, a critical objective was to isolate Osama as a mass murderer who did not represent Islam. Osama's goal was to embed himself in the Arab and Islamic causes of expelling the infidel Americans from the sacred soil of Saudi Arabia and ending what he denounced as our persecution of the oppressed Iraqi people.

Osama sought to conflate his war with the Arab cause. It was in our interest to keep them separate. But the invasion of Iraq – an attack on an Arab country that did not attack us and did not want war with us – united and aroused the Arab world against us, and with bin Laden.

And just as those who argue for an accelerated withdrawal must face up to the risks, those who favor escalation must consider the risks of trying to attain a political objective that appears to be receding before our eyes.

If victory means a pro-Western democracy in Iraq that embraces American values, what is the likelihood of achieving that now, given the raging hostility in the Sunni and Shiite sectors? Are we closer to the goal than we were 13 months ago? Or has the fighting of April-May and the moral squalor of Abu Ghraib pushed our goal even further away?

What will be the final cost in blood and treasure of ultimate victory? How lasting will victory be once our troops depart, as one day they must? Will the American people – who read polls where 57 percent of the Iraqis want us out and more than half think killing our soldiers is justified, and every lethal attack on a U.S. vehicle brings out a mob in wild celebration – continue to feel Iraqi democracy is worth Americans dying for?

As Washington Times columnist Terry Jeffrey writes, idealists may dream of a democratic, secular and pro-Western Iraq, but traditionalists would settle for an Iraq that has no WMD, does not invade its neighbors and does not collude with terrorists.

Horrible as the monster was, Saddam Hussein, after his rout in the Gulf War, came close to filling the bill. That is why some of us did not believe it vital to our security to invade and dethrone him. A nuclear North Korea or nuclear-armed Pakistan where President Musharraf has been taken down by some assassin seemed far the graver potential threat.

Still, Blankley has this point: Whether we go, or stay and fight on, we are going to pay a heavy price, because we went.

Neville Chamberlain is forever condemned for capitulating at Munich. Rightly so. But by the time he got to Munich, Chamberlain had no good choices left. His country had lost Italy in the Abyssinian crisis, failed to rearm, failed to stop Hitler when Britain and France could have chased him out of the Rhineland in 1936. By late September 1939, they could no longer stop Hitler in Central Europe without a European war.

No good options were left. Chamberlain could cede the Sudetenland – or declare war to rescue a Czechoslovakia Britain lacked the power to save.

Conclusion: Chamberlain should never have gone to Munich – and Bush should never have gone to Baghdad.


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To: CWOJackson
Conclusion: Chamberlain should never have gone to Munich – and Bush should never have gone to Baghdad.

Buchanan might have a CO leak in his Mercedes...of course as he as assured us, it couldn't be enough to kill him. Instead, he's just debilitated.

21 posted on 05/27/2004 6:00:23 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Dog Gone
But a highly revered and worshiped nutcase by some of our own nutcases.
22 posted on 05/27/2004 6:01:14 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

23 posted on 05/27/2004 6:01:35 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski

He no longer drives a Mercedes. After pushing America first for so many years a reported asked him that question. pat wasn't aware that American made any large cars...he rushed out a bought some caddies when he found out they were built in America.


24 posted on 05/27/2004 6:02:51 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson

I believe that the Lincoln Town Car is made in America (though the Crown Vic and Grand Marquis are Canadian).


25 posted on 05/27/2004 6:05:31 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski
Ah, canada...our friends to the north...still providing santuary to two U.S. military deserters.

I noticed Chamberlain has been very quiet...every since the press conference yesterday when they released those wanted posters.

26 posted on 05/27/2004 6:08:04 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
...still providing sanctuary to two U.S. military deserters.

I don't fault them for that. I think the deserters should be banished and forgotten.

27 posted on 05/27/2004 6:12:49 PM PDT by Petronski (They could choose between shame and war: Some chose shame, but got war anyway.)
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To: Petronski
Granted, it might actually help out the gene pool but I want them back so we can put them in a military prison.

canada is also giving a wanted violent eco-terrorist a chance to claim asylum.

28 posted on 05/27/2004 6:15:00 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
And they call themselves "Conservatives";unfortunately.

Pat is NOT a Conservative and anyone,ANYONE,who claims that he is,doesn't know what a Conservative is.

Pat is a damned POPULIST;no different from Huey Long.

29 posted on 05/27/2004 6:18:46 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson
He's dead Jim.

hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe

30 posted on 05/27/2004 6:19:39 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

But he's made millions off the suckers...he sold himself as America first and made millions by putting pat first.


31 posted on 05/27/2004 6:20:21 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: nopardons

Hold it...I'll be right back. I'm not believing what I'm hearing...I hope I'm right...


32 posted on 05/27/2004 6:21:15 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: nopardons

I thought you were suggesting Chamberlain Duff was...oh, well.


33 posted on 05/27/2004 6:23:46 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: EGPWS
Don't be too hard on Pat. I hear the Arabs really liked us before Iraq.

Firing on our jets? An act of respect to our strength.

Calling America the "Great Satan?" Well, at least they think we're great at something.

Dancing in the streets when Americans die? Okay, this just can't be spun. So long as we don't put our women in pillowcases and don't kill Jews on sight, they will hate us. We just need to make sure that they fear us a heck of a lot more than they hate us.
34 posted on 05/27/2004 6:30:42 PM PDT by asmith92008 (If we buy into the nonsense that we always have to vote for RINOs, we'll just end up taking the horn)
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To: Petronski

Yes,the Lincoln Town car is made in America.We have one with a cloth roof.


35 posted on 05/27/2004 6:38:36 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson
And Bay picked off a bunch of bucks too,as did her son/s.

The modern variety of the old snake-oil conmen.

36 posted on 05/27/2004 6:40:38 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: CWOJackson

Ummmmmmmmmmmm...no,that was in response to "I wonder where Chamberlain is now".


37 posted on 05/27/2004 6:41:45 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

Crap...I was thinking of "our" local version.


38 posted on 05/27/2004 6:43:48 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: CWOJackson
So I see..........now.

SORRY!

39 posted on 05/27/2004 6:44:40 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: asmith92008
I hear the Arabs really liked us before Iraq.

What I heard and saw was the screams and faces of death in NYC on 9/11, after the FACT I haven't heard a cry nor a whimper of compassion from "the Arabs", so I beseech you to please try your rhetoric again from another angle.

40 posted on 05/27/2004 6:48:45 PM PDT by EGPWS
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