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Cosby's criticism still reverberates
Washington Times ^ | 5/27/04 | Steve Miller

Posted on 05/26/2004 10:02:18 PM PDT by kattracks

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:15:33 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The comments last week from entertainer Bill Cosby beseeching blacks to stop blaming whites for their problems continue to serve as talk-show fodder and pundit subject matter.

Radio hosts and columnists have ranted and raved about the merits and downsides of the comments and show no sign of relenting.


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1 posted on 05/26/2004 10:02:19 PM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Many blacks fear the comments from Mr. Cosby, a known supporter of Democratic causes, will be used to further the assertions of conservatives that many of the problems in the black community are, indeed, self-inflicted.

Perhaps there's a reason for that. I have a number of black friends, and I think most of them are reviled at the "black subculture" a few African-Americans have been trying to procreate lately.

2 posted on 05/26/2004 10:07:55 PM PDT by MegaSilver (Training a child in red diapers is the cruelest and most unusual form of abuse.)
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To: kattracks
Mr. Mfume later said that he agreed with Mr. Cosby and that, in fact, he, himself, has expressed the same dismay with the black community.

Mfume fathered 5 kids by different women by the age of 22.

his son was arrested for drug dealing

and he's dismayed ?
3 posted on 05/26/2004 10:11:41 PM PDT by stylin19a (How does somebody know when a bagpipe is out of tune?)
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To: kattracks

Does discrimination still happen against some blacks?
Yes.
Do blacks live disproportionately in poverty?
Yes.
Does an average black child have the same opportunities for advancement as the average while child?
No.
Do the above facts take away all accountability for bad personal choices made by many blacks today?
No...!

It can be very difficult to break the cycle of poverty and broken families in generation after generation, but until there is an honest acceptance of considerable responsibility within the black community itself, there will not be progress and the problems will only continue. Those stuck in victim status will continue to see themselves as helpless and unable to take constructive action on their own, and the cycle will continue with larger and larger successive generations.


4 posted on 05/26/2004 10:15:41 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: kattracks
But Theodore Shaw, the head of the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, spoke after Mr. Cosby and said that many troubles faced by blacks are not "self-inflicted."

Many blacks fear the comments from Mr. Cosby, a known supporter of Democratic causes, will be used to further the assertions of conservatives that many of the problems in the black community are, indeed, self-inflicted.

Mr. Shaw and the others are more worried about losing their victim status than fixing the problems. Most of the problems are self-inflicted nowadays but if they won't admit it, they can't attempt to change it. Thank you Mr. Cosby for telling them the truth.

5 posted on 05/26/2004 10:19:14 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: kattracks

Cosby is right. Time to clean out their own backyard.

And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech [Genesis 11]


6 posted on 05/26/2004 10:20:54 PM PDT by ReaganRulez2000 (Bring it back to the basics.)
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To: kattracks

The mantra of 400 years of oppression has run out of gas. Even if whitey has an attitude and an agenda how does that translate into 70% illegitimacy, a contempt for education downtown and rampant B on B crime. Cosby knows it. And so do a growing number of educated Blacks. This "boo hoo I'm a victim of racism so take care of me Massa' Uncle Sam" is really getting old and useless.


7 posted on 05/26/2004 10:25:01 PM PDT by hatfieldmccoy (Just a country boy with an agenda :)
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To: kattracks

cosby is a white entertainer.

do you really think the cosby show was aimed at a black audience?


8 posted on 05/26/2004 10:41:29 PM PDT by sweneop
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To: Reagan is King
What is missed is this discussion is that millions of blacks who have played by the rules, educated themselves, and are educating their children have no voice. Some whites, think only about the kids Mr. Cosby was referring to, and assume that they are the rule rather than the exception. Groups like the NAACP talk about barriers that exist, and refuse to acknowledge that these wounds are self inflicted. Yep there is a barrier for uneducated, high school dropouts who struggle to read and write and talk in the Ebonic street talk that was passed on to them by their parents. Its the same barrier faced by uneducated white high school dropouts who struggle to read and write and use poor grammar in their interpersonal relationships. While my ignorant nephews get hired for unskilled jobs because racism still exists, once their bosses find out that they can't function in a job environment they are fired as quickly as unskilled minorities. The difference is that my white nephews, in this situation, are considered unemployable...they can't play the victim card. After all I wouldn't hire them.
9 posted on 05/26/2004 10:49:19 PM PDT by JohnD9207
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To: kattracks
[ "Mr. Cosby was speaking to an audience that could do something about it," he said. "It will lead, hopefully, to a greater sense of responsibility. It could be a call to arms." ]

As everybody in that room will go to vote for John Kerry. Too many blacks are making too much money by keeping blacks generally stoopid.. Cosby is a leftist outright himself. A stopped clock is correct twice a day. There are blacks that are neither stupid or leftist. But mostly they were not in that room. Any black conservative pays a price for being a conservative.

10 posted on 05/26/2004 11:02:17 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: JohnD9207
What is missed is this discussion is that millions of blacks who have played by the rules, educated themselves, and are educating their children have no voice.

I agree with your post. I realize these people don't have a voice in the the black political structure but these people do have a voice in the voting booth. I'm just wondering why they don't use it? 95% vote Democrat, that's unbelievable!

11 posted on 05/26/2004 11:06:47 PM PDT by Reagan is King (The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal.)
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To: kattracks
A cry in the black education wildeness

Bill Maxwell:Innocent victims of a misguided mob***And now, I must say the following: Living in St. Petersburg during the past 10 years has made me ashamed of being African-American.***

13 posted on 05/27/2004 4:30:05 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: sweneop

Absolutely aimed at a black audience.

I gave a motivational workshop for welfare to work participants yesterday at their new jobs and the response was terrific.

Blacks do not want to remain on the fringes of society making do with whatever the media, current culture, and politicians deem is their proper place. And, I have to tell you that what I said was hard to hear regarding behavior, professionalism on the job, attitude and yes, looking in people's faces when speaking correctly, using English well.

They aren't victims. They aren't incapable. They aren't what the videos and Hollywood proclaim them. They are people learning that they are the mainstream.


14 posted on 05/27/2004 4:35:16 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Vote Kerry if you want to commit national suicide)
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To: trillium
To say that "blacks" have to solve this problem is to allow the Jesse Jackson "black community" nonsense to prevail. There is no way in the world that my (middle-class) black friends are to be held accountable to solve the problems of "black yoots" any more than I can be held responsible for the helpless, hopeless, white losers.

To say that "blacks" have to solve this problem is accurate in the sense that it is their problem to solve. Ultimately the responsibility for solving behavioral problems must fall upon the person who has the problem. No one else can do it for you.

15 posted on 05/27/2004 4:43:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic

Actually its a black man's problem and a white man's burdon. So, Who is responsible. All of us as Americans.


16 posted on 05/27/2004 5:47:26 AM PDT by rave123
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To: JohnD9207

When you look at unemployment figures, blacks are not playing the race card either. Black unemployment is twice the national average. And this is considering most jobs are in the service industry where you may find many of the unskilled, uneducated black workers. And keep in mind this number is reported from people that actively seek employment every week.


17 posted on 05/27/2004 5:52:32 AM PDT by rave123
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To: JohnD9207

When you look at unemployment figures, blacks are not playing the race card either. Black unemployment is twice the national average. And this is considering most jobs are in the service industry where you may find many of the unskilled, uneducated black workers. And keep in mind this number is reported from people that actively seek employment every week.


18 posted on 05/27/2004 5:59:29 AM PDT by rave123
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To: rave123
Actually its a black man's problem and a white man's burdon. So, Who is responsible. All of us as Americans.

I don't buy the idea of collective resonsibility for what is essentially a personal behavioral problem. The liberal left seems to be quite enamoured of the concept, but I think it deprecates the notion of personal responsibility.

19 posted on 05/27/2004 6:11:09 AM PDT by tacticalogic (I Controlled application of force is the sincerest form of communication.)
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To: tacticalogic

Do you agree with the war on terror? Certain Moslem's personal decision to kill based on Allah,and this is truly American's burden. So, in America if a population chooses to live a certain way, even if your answer is "put them all in jail", aren't you, as a tax payer, going to have to help build jails and supply police department's to keep you safe? Can you truly have what is rightly yours? Can you eat steak and ride in your your hard earned nice car while other try to deny you that privilege? I didn't say take charge and work it out for them. But doesn't this cause some obstacles?


20 posted on 05/27/2004 7:11:24 AM PDT by rave123
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