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Patriotism, Aerospace Industry-Style
AmericanEconomicAlert.org ^ | Tuesday, May 25, 2004 | Alan Tonelson

Posted on 05/26/2004 4:14:37 PM PDT by Willie Green

For education and discussion only. Not for commercial use.

The Aerospace Industries Association policy statement on the possible lifting of the China arms embargo that Americans had a right to expect:

“Several European Union (EU) member states are seeking termination of sanctions that prohibit defense equipment sales to China The measure were imposed following the Tiananmen Square killings in 1989. The United States, which administers similar sanctions on China defense sales, has urged the Europeans to keep theirs.

“The Aerospace Industries Association strongly believes that militarily strengthening a country with a vast potential power, a dictatorial regime, and a highly uncertain geopolitical future, would gravely endanger global security and, eventually, our own commercial success. Consequently, AIA urges Washington to exert maximum pressure on the EU to maintain its sanctions, and pledges to use the considerable influence it possesses in Europe as a major employer of EU workers to support the U.S. government´s efforts.”

The Aerospace Industries Association policy statement on the possible lifting of the China arms embargo that we got:

“Several European Union (EU) member states are seeking termination of sanctions that prohibit defense equipment sales to China. The measures were imposed following the Tiananmen Square demonstrations in 1989. The United States, which maintains similar sanctions on China defense sales, has urged the Europeans to maintain theirs.

“AIA believes that if the European Union alters its policy and the United States doesn´t, there could be a significant negative impact on the U.S. defense industrial base....If the EU refuses to maintain an absolute ban on sales to China, AIA will urge the U.S. government to lift its ban....

(Source: “U.S. and Europe Eye Action on China Defense Trade Sanctions,” AIA Update, May 2004, p. 4. Courtesy of William R. Hawkins, USBIC)

Alan Tonelson is a Research Fellow at the U.S. Business & Industry Educational Foundation and the author of The Race to the Bottom: Why a Worldwide Worker Surplus and Uncontrolled Free Trade are Sinking American Living Standards (Westview Press).


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KEYWORDS: globalism; grs11; nationalsecurity; qrs11; thebusheconomy
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1 posted on 05/26/2004 4:14:38 PM PDT by Willie Green
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To: AAABEST; afraidfortherepublic; A. Pole; arete; billbears; Digger; DoughtyOne; ex-snook; ...

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2 posted on 05/26/2004 4:18:19 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

It is understandable that the U.S. aerospace industry would take this position. As usual, the weak link is the absence of scruples on the part of the Eurinpeein aerospace industry.


3 posted on 05/26/2004 4:59:38 PM PDT by rimmont
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To: rimmont
What? If the Euroweenies sell arms and munitions to potential enemies, we should too?

IMHO, you should take a closer look for a "weak link" and "absence of scruples".

4 posted on 05/26/2004 5:09:45 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green

At one time this country had the intellect to stay ahead of this kinda crap by the greedy Europeans and Japan, but I question whether that's the case anymore. The Second Cold War with China is "on" in earnest and we may be on our own if we can't hold the line on sales of export-controlled technology from our so-called "allies."


5 posted on 05/26/2004 6:07:41 PM PDT by Rockitz (After all these years, it's still rocket science.)
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To: Willie Green

All the scruples and principles of Boeing are concentrated in the southeast corner of its balance sheet. Ask anybody in Seattle.

"...and they will sell us the rope with which we will HANG them..."


6 posted on 05/27/2004 6:40:38 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot

Seattle is the COMMERCIAL side of Boeing.

St Louis is the military side, though some of the F-22 (Training) is run out of Seattle.


7 posted on 05/28/2004 11:24:49 AM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Seattle is where Boeing has dumped its ex-employee factory workers.


8 posted on 05/28/2004 1:50:03 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Uhh. . .not sure what you mean. . .please explain.

Boeing has military programs being manufactured in St Louis, and the guys in Seattle work the commercial industry. "Dumping" employees from the growing and expanding military business side to the cyclic up-and-down commercial side? Not a good course of action.
9 posted on 05/28/2004 2:23:01 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2; ninenot

Boeing is getting out of the aircraft manufacturing business, so, deserves none of our military business.


10 posted on 05/29/2004 2:24:40 PM PDT by XBob
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To: XBob
Uhh. . .now you have me more confused.

The commercial side in Seattle is pushing hard for the 7E7 "Dreamliner." The military side in St Louis is pushing hard for the F/A-18. Seems to me they are keeping to their core business of aircraft making.

As far as not "giving" them any military business, you really need to clear that up for me.

First, they compete like everyone else--locate opportunities, review the RFP's, develop proposals, submit proposals, etc.

Second, they are chosen (or not chosen) in accordance with public law. Therefore, to exclude Boeing would be to reduce an already small number of competitors in the business, as well as violate public law.

What ya gonna do, make a law and say Boeing can't compete?

And on what grounds?

Would like to know.
11 posted on 05/29/2004 2:51:23 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: Gunrunner2

Oh, and making C-17's and pushing to sell many more of those too.


12 posted on 05/29/2004 2:53:18 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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11 - As I said, Boeing is getting out of the aircraft manufacturing business. It has not been widely publicized, but it has been publicized.

Boeing will no longer manufacture aircraft or parts. They are selling off all their manufacturing capabilities, and offshoring them too.

Boeing is going to become an 'integrator', and will only 'assemble' parts made by other manufacturers.

As an example, you say "The commercial side in Seattle is pushing hard for the 7E7 "Dreamliner." "

Sort of true, except that boeing will only assemble the parts for it, and will only use about 700 Boeing personnel for a whole new generation of passenger aircraft.


13 posted on 06/02/2004 2:36:07 PM PDT by XBob
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To: Gunrunner2

Many of the new Boeing parts which they will 'assemble' are now being made in China, so I am adamantly against giving Boeing any new military contracts.


14 posted on 06/02/2004 2:38:42 PM PDT by XBob
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To: ninenot
All the scruples and principles of Boeing are concentrated in the southeast corner of its balance sheet. Ask anybody in Seattle.

Of course, you meant to say "Chicago," which merely goes to prove your point....

I'm a bit more hopeful now that Phil Condom is gone, though.

15 posted on 06/02/2004 2:40:31 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Chicago is HQ--but Seattle is where the massive layoffs are occurring.

Condit was a creep. Not quite as bad as Lay of Enron, nor as bad as the Arthur Andersen crowd, ---but there are a LOT of good questions McCain has raised about Boeing's lease-deal for refueling aircraft (which apparently is now dead.)

Ike was right: be very skeptical of the military-industrial complex.


16 posted on 06/02/2004 8:21:57 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: ninenot
Chicago is HQ--but Seattle is where the massive layoffs are occurring.

Well, yes.... it was an oblique reference to your "bottom line" comment.

As for McCain's questions -- some are valid, but I can't help but wonder whose pocket he's in.

17 posted on 06/03/2004 6:40:04 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb

I don't trust McCain at all, but in the case at hand, the facts spoke for themselves pretty clearly. I suspect that the deal had some influence on Condit's resignation.

BTW, this AM I saw a news story involving Boeing. Apparently an ex(?)-Boeing employee and Ernst & Young are running around the country offering seminars on "how to clean the pockets of your State and Local Governments"...

Whatta country, eh?


18 posted on 06/03/2004 9:31:36 AM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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To: XBob

Which parts?


19 posted on 06/03/2004 4:03:34 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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To: XBob
Not even close.

I do a lot of work with Boeing (IDS), and have a few business contacts/opportunities I am working with BCA, and it is obvious you know not a heck of a lot of what Boeing is, does and wants to do.

Boeing actively bids on all sorts of contracts, lost the last two major fighter competitions; i.e., F-22, F-35 (fix was in).

7E7 is a great jet with market potential to blow that Frog Airbus out the window. Trying hard to open the lines, and when new jets are sold, the lines open. Spares, mods and upgrades are part of the line and the line functions.

Anyway, keep with your biases and I won't confuse you with facts.

Have a nice day. . .(*click*---Ignore on)
20 posted on 06/03/2004 4:08:23 PM PDT by Gunrunner2
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