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The Heckler Heckled
TAS ^ | 5/26/2004 | George Neumayr

Posted on 05/26/2004 3:09:57 PM PDT by swilhelm73

When E.L. Doctorow urged graduates at Hofstra University to question authority, he didn't expect them to question his. The fiction writer accused George Bush of launching a fictitious war in Iraq and was heckled into silence. In a moment the liberal elite must regard as an alarming illustration of the Red-Blue divisions of America now even bleeding into academia, students and parents booed Doctorow while the liberal faculty stood to cheer at the end of his speech. Booing a speaker into silence wasn't the vigorous free speech and activism Doctorow had in mind when he extolled agitation earlier in his speech. How dare the mob turn on its visionaries. Notice the suggestion (in the Newsday story about Doctorow's speech) that peasants were responsible for the heckling -- the booing "came mainly from the crowd in the stands." This is reminiscent of self-appointed populist Michael Moore blaming boos at the Oscars two years ago on lowly stage hands and hooligans in the cheap seats.

The distinction between civility and incivility in the liberal mind is very fine indeed: If a liberal commencement speaker calls the president of the United States a liar, that's civility; if the crowd boos the speaker calling their president a liar, that's incivility.

Doctorow once helped Americans navigate these careful distinctions as a member of a "civility" commission in the 1990s after the troubling Republican takeover of Congress. Called the "Penn Commission on Society, Culture and Community," it gathered at the University of Pennsylvania to address the "explosion of incivility" in American life. Such experts on civility as Paul Begala were asked to mull "the rising tide of rudeness and -- if possible -- how to stem it," reported the press.

Doctorow had tried to keep the rudeness of the Reagan years at bay. But to no avail. The mob needed further conditioning. Reactionary parents, for example, shook their heads in dismay at a 1989 Brandeis University commencement address Doctorow delivered in which he accused Ronald Reagan of lying and nurturing a "gangsterdom of the spirit."

"Mr. Reagan's advocacy of self-reliance caused him to scorn or forget other truths of community," Doctorow said in that address. "And so he was moved at various times in his Administration to take away school lunches from needy children and tuition loans from students, and to deny legal services to poor people and psychological counseling to Vietnam veterans, and Social Security payments to handicapped people...The philosophical conservative is someone willing to pay the price of other people's suffering for his principles. And so we now have hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of our citizens lying around in the streets of our cities, sleeping in doorways, begging with styrofoam cups. We didn't have a class of permanent beggars in this country -- in the United States of America -- fifteen or twenty years ago. We didn't have kids selling crack in their grade schools, or businessmen magnifying their fortunes into megafortunes by stock manipulation and thievery -- I don't remember such epidemics of major corporate fraud. A decade ago you did not have college students scrawling racial epithets or anti-Semitic graffiti on the room doors of their fellow students. You did not have cops strangling teen-age boys to death or shooting elderly deranged women in their own homes. You did not have scientists falsifying the results of experiments, or preachers committing the sins against which they so thunderously preached. A generation or so back, you didn't have every class of society, and every occupation, widely, ruggedly practicing its own characteristic form of crime."

It must be maddening to Doctorow that conservatives see such talk as uncivil, deserving of jeers. Clearly his old civility commission needs to reconvene to teach Americans that conservative thought itself is "uncivil" and liberalism, even when its proponents are accusing conservatives of lying and killing, is civility's most reliable friend. Don't students know that civility is conformity to liberalism? Liberals aren't supposed to be heckled at commencement ceremonies; they are supposed to do the heckling.(Just like they did to Jeane Kirkpatrick at U.C. Berkeley in 1983 when liberals routinely accused her of lying about the evil of communism, as they now accuse Bush of lying about Saddam Hussein's ties to terrorists.)

Conservatives are supposed to be heckled, not contributors to the Nation magazine like Doctorow. Or newspaper publishers. Recall Janis Heaphy, publisher of the Sacramento Bee, who had her remarks about civil liberties drowned out at the 2001 commencement at Cal State Sacramento. John Ashcroft and George Bush were threatening their rights, she told them. "Specifically, to what degree are we willing to compromise our civil liberties in the name of security?" The graduates then exercised their civil liberties so loudly Heaphy had to sit down.

These are stories of campus radicalism that won't make it into Doctorow's radical novels, and examples of rudeness Doctorow likes to reserve to himself.


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To: Southack
I could not possibly agree with you more. It's the same phenomenon that was displayed at the Oscar's when Michael Moore got booed.

The leftist elitists were shocked.

It's time to let them know that we're sick of their crap. It's hardly as if they're reluctant to be more than rude to us. They're not only rude, they're willing to cheat politically, break laws, even riot. I can't remember the last riot that involved conservatives.

We're better than they are and we don't go to those extremes. But we can't let their public heckling go unanswered.

41 posted on 05/26/2004 6:11:59 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone
"It's the same phenomenon that was displayed at the Oscar's when Michael Moore got booed."

And when Hillary got booed. And when Janet Jackson got herself in such a stink. The Texas Democrats who fled to avoid the special session for redistricting caught much grief. And probably many more such examples.

42 posted on 05/26/2004 6:17:13 PM PDT by Bob Mc
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To: O.C. - Old Cracker
My goodness, what a response.

You have that gazpacho swirling around in your gourd and you accuse me of bigotry? Why?

You called someone a troll who made a completely untrollworthy remark.

Because you don't have enough conviction to make a choice about anything, except perhaps your daily beverage of choice at Starbuck's?

Oh, you're sooo smart.What makes you think I don't have any convictions? I'm nobody's follower and I don't do fads or Starbuck's for that matter. Everything I believe in has been field-tested through Logic. I make my own way. I don't blindly join someone else's club.

I believe it was Will Rogers who said if two men agree on everything, then only one of them is doing the thinking.

43 posted on 05/26/2004 6:40:25 PM PDT by stands2reason ( During the cola wars, France was occupied by Pepsi for six months.)
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To: Bob Mc
Or when scores of uniformed Vietnam veterans did an about face, parade rest and then hung their heads as Bill Clinton delivered his 1993 Memorial Day speech in front of the Vietnam Memorial. If anyone can find a copy of the limited video of this event, please let me know.

http://www.usmemorialday.org/speeches/President/may31c93.txt

http://www.usmemorialday.org/speeches/President/may2993.txt

44 posted on 05/26/2004 7:04:10 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: stands2reason

Thank you, ma'am. (O.C. touches the brim of his hat.)


45 posted on 05/26/2004 7:09:04 PM PDT by O.C. - Old Cracker (When the cracker gets old, you wind up with Old Cracker. - O.C.)
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To: swilhelm73

...The philosophical conservative is someone willing to pay the price of other people's suffering for his principles. And so we now have hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of our citizens lying around in the streets of our cities, sleeping in doorways, begging with styrofoam cups. We didn't have a class of permanent beggars in this country -- in the United States of America -- fifteen or twenty years ago....

Ah, how we all miss the great pre-Reagan, glory days of Jimmy Carter! What an insufferable bag of farts this Doctorow is. He and the other insufferable uncivil leftists like Pelosi, Gore, Kerry, Kennedy... are beyond any hope of decency. They simply need to be confronted and defeated. Irrelevance, via loss of power, loss of elections is the only way to keep them down.


46 posted on 05/26/2004 7:42:05 PM PDT by untwist
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To: swilhelm73

The liberal spin on this is that he shouldn't have injected politics into this happy occasion, thus the boos. He should have stuck to the usual wisdom and advice for life. But this analysis is crap, a lie like all the lies liberals tell; the boos were against this liberal a**hole and in support of President Bush. People are furious at this liberal crap and will hand President Bush a landslide on Election Day as a result.


47 posted on 05/26/2004 7:47:54 PM PDT by Contra
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To: Klaus D. Deore

One of JR's rules here is no personal attacks. Troll or not, as his guest you should abide by that.


48 posted on 05/26/2004 7:54:47 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Southack

I'm glad you related that. I'd never heard it before.


49 posted on 05/26/2004 7:59:44 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberalism is a mental disorder)
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To: Klaus D. Deore

I guess.


50 posted on 05/26/2004 9:02:37 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: swilhelm73
"...And so we now have hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of our citizens lying around in the streets of our cities, sleeping in doorways, begging with styrofoam cups. We didn't have a class of permanent beggars in this country -- in the United States of America -- fifteen or twenty years ago. We didn't have kids selling crack in their grade schools, or businessmen magnifying their fortunes into megafortunes by stock manipulation and thievery -- I don't remember such epidemics of major corporate fraud. A decade ago you did not have college students scrawling racial epithets or anti-Semitic graffiti on the room doors of their fellow students. You did not have cops strangling teen-age boys to death or shooting elderly deranged women in their own homes. You did not have scientists falsifying the results of experiments, or preachers committing the sins against which they so thunderously preached. A generation or so back, you didn't have every class of society, and every occupation, widely, ruggedly practicing its own characteristic form of crime."

While I could refute every one of these outrageously inaccurate claims, citing chapter & verse...including the philandering ways of The Reverend, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.;
Skid Row bums & beggars (with TIN cups) in every city, though confined then to specific areas thereof;
to an unforgetably egregious 60s graffito I saw at work, in a government bathroom, "Sure I believe in equal rights; ANYONE should be able to own a N***** or two!".

Instead, I'll quietly point out that during the times he was fondly recalling, crack hadn't been invented yet, and ALL drugs were considered serious crimes.
The "sexual Revolution was just a gleam in (male) students' eyes.
Unwed pregnancy was a serious social breech.
FAMILIES lived, ate, played, and prayed together. Prayer & God were not banned from public view.
Cops, at least in smaller towns, had grown up with, gone to school with, and knew the people there.
English was expected to be spoken & understood.
People obtained educations, jobs, and positions of trust by earning them; not by affirmative action and social promotion.

Did I leave out any factors the Liberal friends of E.L. Doctorow made sure were done away with, creating the very problems he laments...and tries to blame on President Reagan; and now, President Bush?
51 posted on 05/26/2004 11:26:07 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The world needs more horses, and fewer Jackasses!)
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