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Clarke claims responsibility: Approved post-9-11 flights for bin Laden family
The Hill ^ | 5/26/04 | The Hill

Posted on 05/26/2004 9:05:17 AM PDT by Mark Felton

Richard Clarke, who served as President Bush’s chief of counterterrorism, has claimed sole responsibility for approving flights of Saudi Arabian citizens, including members of Osama bin Laden’s family, from the United States immediately after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

pedro sa da bandeira Former White House counterterrorism adviser testifies before the 9-11 commission.

In an interview with The Hill yesterday, Clarke said, “I take responsibility for it. I don’t think it was a mistake, and I’d do it again.”

Most of the 26 passengers aboard one flight, which departed from the United States on Sept. 20, 2001, were relatives of Osama bin Laden, whom intelligence officials blamed for the attacks almost immediately after they happened.

Clarke’s claim of responsibility is likely to put an end to a brewing political controversy on Capitol Hill over who approved the controversial flights of members of the Saudi elite at a time when the administration was preparing to detain dozens of Muslim-Americans and people with Muslim backgrounds as material witnesses to the attacks.

Several Democrats say that at a closed-door meeting May 6, they pressed members of the commission investigating the attacks of Sept. 11 to find out who approved the flights.

Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), who attended the meeting, said she asked former Rep. Lee Hamilton (D-Ind.) and former Secretary of the Navy John Lehman, a Republican, “Who authorized the flight[s] and why?”

“They said it’s been a part of their inquiry and they haven’t received satisfactory answers yet and they were pushing,” Boxer added.

Another Democrat who attended the meeting confirmed Boxer’s account and reported that Hamilton said: “We don’t know who authorized it. We’ve asked that question 50 times.”

Referring to questions about who authorized the flights, former Rep. Tim Roemer (D-Ind.), one of the 10 members of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission, said in an interview Monday: “In my mind, this isn’t resolved right now. We need more clarity and information from the relevant political sources and FBI sources.”

But Clarke yesterday appeared to put an end to the mystery.

“It didn’t get any higher than me,” he said. “On 9-11, 9-12 and 9-13, many things didn’t get any higher than me. I decided it in consultation with the FBI.”

Clarke’s explanation fit with a new stance Hamilton has taken on the issue of the Saudi flights.

Hamilton said in an interview Friday that when he told Democratic senators that the commission did not know who authorized the Saudi flights, he was not fully informed.

“They asked the question ‘Who authorized the flight?’ and I said I did not know and I’d try to find out,” Hamilton said. “I learned subsequently from talking to the staff that we thought Clarke authorized the flight and it did not go higher.”

“I did not at any point say the White House was stalling,” Hamilton added. “They asked me who authorized it, and I said we didn’t know.”

Hamilton said, however, that “we asked the question of who authorized the flight many times to many people.”

“The FBI cleared the names [of the passengers on the flights] and Clarke’s CSG [Counterterrorism Security Group] team cleared the departure,” Hamilton said.

He cautioned that this is “a story that could shift, and we still have this under review.”

This new account of the events seemed to contradict Clarke’s sworn testimony before the Sept. 11 commission at the end of March about who approved the flights.

“The request came to me, and I refused to approve it,” Clarke testified. “I suggested that it be routed to the FBI and that the FBI look at the names of the individuals who were going to be on the passenger manifest and that they approve it or not. I spoke with the — at the time — No. 2 person in the FBI, Dale Watson, and asked him to deal with this issue. The FBI then approved … the flight.”

“That’s a little different than saying, ‘I claim sole responsibility for it now,’” Roemer said yesterday.

However, the FBI has denied approving the flight.

FBI spokeswoman Donna Spiser said, “We haven’t had anything to do with arranging and clearing the flights.”

“We did know who was on the flights and interviewed anyone we thought we needed to,” she said. “We didn’t interview 100 percent of the [passengers on the] flight. We didn’t think anyone on the flight was of investigative interest.”

When Roemer asked Clarke during the commission’s March hearing, “Who gave the final approval, then, to say, ‘Yes, you’re clear to go, it’s all right with the United States government,’” Clarke seemed to suggest it came from the White House.

“I believe after the FBI came back and said it was all right with them, we ran it through the decision process for all these decisions that we were making in those hours, which was the interagency Crisis Management Group on the video conference,” Clarke testified. “I was making or coordinating a lot of the decisions on 9-11 in the days immediately after. And I would love to be able to tell you who did it, who brought this proposal to me, but I don’t know. The two — since you press me, the two possibilities that are most likely are either the Department of State or the White House chief of staff’s office.”

Instead of putting the issue to rest, Clarke’s testimony fueled speculation among Democrats that someone higher up in the administration, perhaps White House Chief of Staff Andy Card, approved the flights.

“It couldn’t have come from Clarke. It should have come from someone further up the chain,” said a Democratic Senate aide who watched Clarke’s testimony. Clarke’s testimony did not settle the issue for Roemer, either.

“It doesn’t seem that Richard Clarke had enough information to clear it,” Roemer said Monday.

“I just don’t think that the questions are resolved, and we need to dig deeper,” Roemer added. “Clarke sure didn’t seem to say that he was the final decisionmaker. I believe we need to continue to look for some more answers.”

Roemer said there are important policy issues to address, such as the need to develop a flight-departure control system.

Several Democrats on and off the Hill say that bin Laden’s family should have been detained as material witnesses to the attacks. They note that after the attacks, the Bush administration lowered the threshold for detaining potential witnesses. The Department of Justice is estimated to have detained more than 50 material witnesses since Sept. 11.

Clarke said yesterday that the furor over the flights of Saudi citizens is much ado about nothing.

“This is a tempest in a teapot,” he said, adding that, since the attacks, the FBI has never said that any of the passengers aboard the flight shouldn’t have been allowed to leave or were wanted for further investigation.

He said that many members of the bin Laden family had been subjects of FBI surveillance for years before the attacks and were well-known to law-enforcement officials.

“It’s very funny that people on the Hill are now trying to second-guess the FBI investigation.”

The Sept. 11 commission released a statement last month declaring that six chartered flights that evacuated close to 140 Saudi citizens were handled properly by the Bush administration.


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To: cgk

see post #31 - I believe Posner, he was dirty. The Saudis likely offed him themselves.


41 posted on 05/26/2004 10:51:38 AM PDT by oceanview
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To: Mark Felton
“I did not at any point say the White House was stalling,” Hamilton added. “They asked me who authorized it, and I said we didn’t know.”

Hamilton said, however, that “we asked the question of who authorized the flight many times to many people.”

Hamilton is getting p l a y e d by Clinton's goons on the Commission, and is old enough to know better. What a shame.

42 posted on 05/26/2004 10:52:01 AM PDT by StAnDeliver
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To: Mark Felton

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43 posted on 05/26/2004 10:52:14 AM PDT by take
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To: Howlin
Was there flight by a commercial airline?

Was the type of flight they used to leave the country flying on a routine basis, or were they done on an exception basis only - at that time.

My understanding was that their flight was an exception to the rule. (which was why they needed government permission as an exception to the rules in place)

My question is what channels were used to get this exception processed? (who passed the request to clark?)

If the flight was not an exception - I'd appreciate the information showing that. But is it was routine - why was any permission needed for them to return to their home country?

44 posted on 05/26/2004 10:53:20 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: StAnDeliver

US Government's Prior Knowledge of 9/11 Attacks Confirmed

http://cryptome.org/mil-911-study.htm


45 posted on 05/26/2004 10:55:02 AM PDT by take
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To: Howlin
Easy girl, down girl!

When did the Saudis leave, what was that date again?

46 posted on 05/26/2004 10:55:25 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Triple
Muliple flights. Domestic and international. At the least September 14th through the 19th. While the national airspace was officially closed. According to various sources -- including Vanity Fair.

But go ahead, believe Howlin. She's always 1000% right.

47 posted on 05/26/2004 10:58:19 AM PDT by bvw
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To: StAnDeliver

we have cover-up the U.S State Department. Visas that Should Have Been Denied
A look at 9/11 terrorists’ visa applications. http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp


48 posted on 05/26/2004 11:01:26 AM PDT by take
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To: Triple; bvw; oceanview

September 13, 2001 (F)

       After a complete airflight ban in the US begun during the 9/11 attacks, some commercial flights begin resuming this day. However, all private flights are still banned from flying. Nonetheless, some private flights do take place, carrying Saudi royalty and members of the bin Laden family to transit points so they can leave the country. These flights take place even as fighters escort down three other private planes attempting to fly. Most of the Saudi royals and bin Ladens in the US at the time are high school or college students and young professionals. New York Times, 9/30/01, Vanity Fair, 10/03] One of the flights is a Lear Jet that leaves from a private Raytheon hangar in Tampa, Florida (see also September 25, 2001) and takes three Saudis to Lexington, Kentucky. [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01] Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US who is so close to the Bush family that he is nicknamed “Bandar Bush,” pushes for and helps arrange the flights at the request of frightened Saudis. Vanity Fair, 10/03, CBC, 10/29/03 (D)] For two years, a violation of the air ban is denied by the FAA, FBI, and White House, and decried as an urban legend except for one article detailing them in a Tampa newspaper (Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01). Finally in 2003, Richard Clarke, National Security Council Chief of Counterterrorism confirms the existence of these flights, and Secretary of State Powell confirms them as well. [Vanity Fair, 10/03, MSNBC, 9/7/03] But the White House is still silent on the matter. [New York Times 9/4/03] The Saudis are evacuated to Saudi Arabia over the next several days (see September 14-19, 2001).

September 14-19, 2001

      
Yeslam bin Laden, Osama's half brother, and a Westernized leader of the Binladin Group.
Following secret flights inside the US that are in violation of a national private airplane flight ban (see September 13, 2001), members of the bin Laden family and Saudi royalty quietly depart the US. The flights are only publicly acknowledged after all the Saudis have left. [Boston Globe, 9/21/01, New York Times, 9/30/01] About 140 Saudis, including around 24 members of the bin Laden family, are passengers in these flights. Most of their identities aren't known. However, some of the passengers include:
  1. The son of the Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan. Sultan is being sued for alleged complicity in the 9/11 plot (see August 15, 2002). [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01] He is alleged to have contributed at least $6 million since 1994 to four charities that finance al-Qaeda. [Vanity Fair, 10/03]
  2. Khalil bin Laden. He has been investigated by the Brazilian government for possible terrorist connections. [Vanity Fair, 10/03]
Abdullah
Abdullah bin Laden
and
  • Omar bin Laden, cousins of bin Laden. Abdullah was the US director of the Muslim charity World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). The governments of India, Pakistan, Philippines, and Bosnia have all accused WAMY of funding terrorism. These two relatives were investigated by the FBI in 1996 in a case involving espionage, murder, and national security (September 11, 1996). Their case is reopened on September 19 right after 9/11 they leave the country. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] Remarkably, four of the 9/11 hijackers briefly live in the town of Falls Church, Virginia, three blocks from the WAMY office headed by Abdullah bin Laden. [BBC Newsnight, 11/6/01]
  • Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen.
He is a prominent Saudi official who is in the same hotel as three of the hijackers the night before 9/11. He leaves on one of the first flights to Saudi Arabia before the FBI can properly interview him about this (see September 10, 2001 (U)). There is a later dispute regarding how thoroughly the Saudis are interviewed before they leave and who approves the flights. Richard Clarke, National Security Council Chief of Counterterrorism, says he agrees to the flights after the FBI assures him none of those on board have connections to terrorism and that it is “a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House.” [Congressional Testimony, 9/3/03] According to Vanity Fair, both the FBI and the State Department “deny playing any role whatsoever in the episode.” However, Dale Watson, the FBI's former head of counterterrorism, says the Saudis on the planes “[are] identified, but they [are] not subject to serious interviews or interrogations” before they leave. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] An FBI spokesman says the bin Laden relatives are only interviewed by the FBI “at the airport, as they [are] about to leave.” [National Review, 9/11/02] There are claims that some passengers aren't interviewed by the FBI at all. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] One bin Laden relative who stays in the US says that even a month after 9/11 his only contact with the FBI is a brief phone call. [Boston Globe, 9/21/01, New Yorker, 11/5/01] Numerous experts are surprised that the bin Ladens are not interviewed more extensively before leaving, pointing out that interviewing the relatives of suspects is standard investigative procedure. [National Review, 9/11/02, Vanity Fair, 10/03] MSNBC claims that “members of the Saudi royal family met frequently with bin Laden—both before and after 9/11” [MSNBC, 9/5/03], and many royals and bin Laden relatives are being sued for having a role in 9/11 (see August 15, 2002). The Boston Globe opines that the flights occur “too soon after 9/11 for the FBI even to know what questions to ask, much less to decide conclusively that each Saudi [royal] and bin Laden relative [deserve] an ‘all clear,’ never to be available for questions again.” [Boston Globe, 9/30/03] Senator Charles Schumer (D) says of the secret flights, “This is just another example of our country coddling the Saudis and giving them special privileges that others would never get. It's almost as if we didn't want to find out what links existed.” [New York Times 9/4/03]

49 posted on 05/26/2004 11:03:04 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Triple
My question is what channels were used to get this exception processed? (who passed the request to clark?)

the Clinton's Boys

50 posted on 05/26/2004 11:04:01 AM PDT by take
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To: Howlin

Are you listening to Ashcroft...

Credible intel from multiple sources.


51 posted on 05/26/2004 11:04:27 AM PDT by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: bvw
I never said that; they were ferried around the country, probably in CIA planes, to central locations and then flown out of the country.

But it wasn't in the first few days; and they didn't leave before the ban was lifted:

Sept. 13 — Secretary of State Colin Powell identifies bin Laden as prime suspect. Limited commercial flights resume. National Football League, major-league baseball call off weekend games.

52 posted on 05/26/2004 11:05:29 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Sweet Piece Howlin!


53 posted on 05/26/2004 11:05:51 AM PDT by hobbes1 (Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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To: Howlin

highest levels of the State Department


54 posted on 05/26/2004 11:06:05 AM PDT by take
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To: Triple

Clark has claimed all along that he doesn't remember who asked him (at least in some of his statements.)

The request supposedly came to him -- or so he says -- in the hours after the attack; he supposedly had an open line to the FBI and asked them to clear the planes.


55 posted on 05/26/2004 11:07:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: take

The State Department is the area that would know where all these people are at any given time.


56 posted on 05/26/2004 11:08:14 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Media Ignore State Department's 'Criminal Negligence' on 9/11 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/31/204552.shtml


57 posted on 05/26/2004 11:11:05 AM PDT by take
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To: Howlin

why are we not looking at State Department ?


58 posted on 05/26/2004 11:16:50 AM PDT by take
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To: take

I'll take a pass on the NewsMax cite.


59 posted on 05/26/2004 11:16:51 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: bvw

"Any sentient Freeper can best Snopes. Snopes has it's PC agenda that gets in the way of the facts,"


....and even Snopes calls the BS on the whole "It's Bush's fault" thing.

Snopes is often quite good in that they actually quote primary sources. At the very least, they are a good jumping off point for further research.


60 posted on 05/26/2004 11:19:53 AM PDT by adam_az (Call your State Republican Party office and VOLUNTEER!!!!)
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