Clarke claims responsibility: Approved post-9-11 flights for bin Laden family

The Hill ^ | 5/26/04 | The Hill

[oceanview]

see post #31 - I believe Posner, he was dirty. The Saudis likely offed him themselves.

[StAnDeliver]

“I did not at any point say the White House was stalling,” Hamilton added. “They asked me who authorized it, and I said we didn’t know.”

Hamilton said, however, that “we asked the question of who authorized the flight many times to many people.”

Hamilton is getting p l a y e d by Clinton's goons on the Commission, and is old enough to know better. What a shame.

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Former NSA chief named to CompuDyne board
Hanover-based CompuDyne has nominated former National Security Agency head Mike McConnell to its board of directors.


Shareholders in the public security technology company will vote on the nomination at the firm's annual meeting Thursday.

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Was there flight by a commercial airline?

Was the type of flight they used to leave the country flying on a routine basis, or were they done on an exception basis only - at that time.

My understanding was that their flight was an exception to the rule. (which was why they needed government permission as an exception to the rules in place)

My question is what channels were used to get this exception processed? (who passed the request to clark?)

If the flight was not an exception - I'd appreciate the information showing that. But is it was routine - why was any permission needed for them to return to their home country?

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US Government's Prior Knowledge of 9/11 Attacks Confirmed

http://cryptome.org/mil-911-study.htm

[bvw]

Easy girl, down girl!

When did the Saudis leave, what was that date again?

[bvw]

Muliple flights. Domestic and international. At the least September 14th through the 19th. While the national airspace was officially closed. According to various sources -- including Vanity Fair.

But go ahead, believe Howlin. She's always 1000% right.

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we have cover-up the U.S State Department. Visas that Should Have Been Denied
A look at 9/11 terrorists’ visa applications. http://www.nationalreview.com/mowbray/mowbray100902.asp

[Howlin]

September 13, 2001 (F)

After a complete airflight ban in the US begun during the 9/11 attacks, some commercial flights begin resuming this day. However, all private flights are still banned from flying. Nonetheless, some private flights do take place, carrying Saudi royalty and members of the bin Laden family to transit points so they can leave the country. These flights take place even as fighters escort down three other private planes attempting to fly. Most of the Saudi royals and bin Ladens in the US at the time are high school or college students and young professionals. New York Times, 9/30/01, Vanity Fair, 10/03] One of the flights is a Lear Jet that leaves from a private Raytheon hangar in Tampa, Florida (see also September 25, 2001) and takes three Saudis to Lexington, Kentucky. [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01] Prince Bandar, the Saudi ambassador to the US who is so close to the Bush family that he is nicknamed “Bandar Bush,” pushes for and helps arrange the flights at the request of frightened Saudis. Vanity Fair, 10/03, CBC, 10/29/03 (D)] For two years, a violation of the air ban is denied by the FAA, FBI, and White House, and decried as an urban legend except for one article detailing them in a Tampa newspaper (Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01). Finally in 2003, Richard Clarke, National Security Council Chief of Counterterrorism confirms the existence of these flights, and Secretary of State Powell confirms them as well. [Vanity Fair, 10/03, MSNBC, 9/7/03] But the White House is still silent on the matter. [New York Times 9/4/03] The Saudis are evacuated to Saudi Arabia over the next several days (see September 14-19, 2001).

September 14-19, 2001

Following secret flights inside the US that are in violation of a national private airplane flight ban (see September 13, 2001), members of the bin Laden family and Saudi royalty quietly depart the US. The flights are only publicly acknowledged after all the Saudis have left. [Boston Globe, 9/21/01, New York Times, 9/30/01] About 140 Saudis, including around 24 members of the bin Laden family, are passengers in these flights. Most of their identities aren't known. However, some of the passengers include: The son of the Saudi Defense Minister Prince Sultan. Sultan is being sued for alleged complicity in the 9/11 plot (see August 15, 2002). [Tampa Tribune, 10/5/01] He is alleged to have contributed at least $6 million since 1994 to four charities that finance al-Qaeda. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] Khalil bin Laden. He has been investigated by the Brazilian government for possible terrorist connections. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] Abdullah Abdullah bin Laden and Omar bin Laden, cousins of bin Laden. Abdullah was the US director of the Muslim charity World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY). The governments of India, Pakistan, Philippines, and Bosnia have all accused WAMY of funding terrorism. These two relatives were investigated by the FBI in 1996 in a case involving espionage, murder, and national security (September 11, 1996). Their case is reopened on September 19 right after 9/11 they leave the country. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] Remarkably, four of the 9/11 hijackers briefly live in the town of Falls Church, Virginia, three blocks from the WAMY office headed by Abdullah bin Laden. [BBC Newsnight, 11/6/01] Saleh Ibn Abdul Rahman Hussayen. He is a prominent Saudi official who is in the same hotel as three of the hijackers the night before 9/11. He leaves on one of the first flights to Saudi Arabia before the FBI can properly interview him about this (see September 10, 2001 (U)). There is a later dispute regarding how thoroughly the Saudis are interviewed before they leave and who approves the flights. Richard Clarke, National Security Council Chief of Counterterrorism, says he agrees to the flights after the FBI assures him none of those on board have connections to terrorism and that it is “a conscious decision with complete review at the highest levels of the State Department and the FBI and the White House.” [Congressional Testimony, 9/3/03] According to Vanity Fair, both the FBI and the State Department “deny playing any role whatsoever in the episode.” However, Dale Watson, the FBI's former head of counterterrorism, says the Saudis on the planes “[are] identified, but they [are] not subject to serious interviews or interrogations” before they leave. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] An FBI spokesman says the bin Laden relatives are only interviewed by the FBI “at the airport, as they [are] about to leave.” [National Review, 9/11/02] There are claims that some passengers aren't interviewed by the FBI at all. [Vanity Fair, 10/03] One bin Laden relative who stays in the US says that even a month after 9/11 his only contact with the FBI is a brief phone call. [Boston Globe, 9/21/01, New Yorker, 11/5/01] Numerous experts are surprised that the bin Ladens are not interviewed more extensively before leaving, pointing out that interviewing the relatives of suspects is standard investigative procedure. [National Review, 9/11/02, Vanity Fair, 10/03] MSNBC claims that “members of the Saudi royal family met frequently with bin Laden—both before and after 9/11” [MSNBC, 9/5/03], and many royals and bin Laden relatives are being sued for having a role in 9/11 (see August 15, 2002). The Boston Globe opines that the flights occur “too soon after 9/11 for the FBI even to know what questions to ask, much less to decide conclusively that each Saudi [royal] and bin Laden relative [deserve] an ‘all clear,’ never to be available for questions again.” [Boston Globe, 9/30/03] Senator Charles Schumer (D) says of the secret flights, “This is just another example of our country coddling the Saudis and giving them special privileges that others would never get. It's almost as if we didn't want to find out what links existed.” [New York Times 9/4/03]

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My question is what channels were used to get this exception processed? (who passed the request to clark?)

the Clinton's Boys

[Peach]

Are you listening to Ashcroft...

Credible intel from multiple sources.

[Howlin]

I never said that; they were ferried around the country, probably in CIA planes, to central locations and then flown out of the country.

But it wasn't in the first few days; and they didn't leave before the ban was lifted:

Sept. 13 — Secretary of State Colin Powell identifies bin Laden as prime suspect. Limited commercial flights resume. National Football League, major-league baseball call off weekend games.

[hobbes1]

Sweet Piece Howlin!

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highest levels of the State Department

[Howlin]

Clark has claimed all along that he doesn't remember who asked him (at least in some of his statements.)

The request supposedly came to him -- or so he says -- in the hours after the attack; he supposedly had an open line to the FBI and asked them to clear the planes.

[Howlin]

The State Department is the area that would know where all these people are at any given time.

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Media Ignore State Department's 'Criminal Negligence' on 9/11 http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/10/31/204552.shtml

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why are we not looking at State Department ?

[Howlin]

I'll take a pass on the NewsMax cite.

[adam_az]

"Any sentient Freeper can best Snopes. Snopes has it's PC agenda that gets in the way of the facts,"


....and even Snopes calls the BS on the whole "It's Bush's fault" thing.

Snopes is often quite good in that they actually quote primary sources. At the very least, they are a good jumping off point for further research.