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Newark, NJ, Archbishop Myers Denies Rebuking McGreevey
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| 05.22.04
Posted on 05/25/2004 9:34:52 PM PDT by Coleus
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posted on
05/25/2004 9:34:52 PM PDT
by
Coleus
To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
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posted on
05/25/2004 9:35:57 PM PDT
by
Coleus
(Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
To: Coleus
"I think he handled it brilliantly," the archbishop said. "Conservatives could appreciate that he accepted the authority of the church, and liberal Catholics could respect the fact that he stood by his convictions." I am just non-plussed at Myers' remarks.
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posted on
05/25/2004 9:47:37 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: Coleus
Now I know what the bishops need to do to convince everyone that they, too, are qualified, like John Kerry, Jim McGreevy, at al., to speak about the Catholic Faith: They need to remind everyone that "I was an altar boy, and I once considered studying for the priesthood."
To: Coleus
In a May 6 pastoral letter, Myers wrote that it is "objectively dishonest" for supporters of abortion to receive Communion, ENCYCLICAL LETTER, ECCLESIA DE EUCHARISTIA, POPE JOHN PAUL II:
"...in cases of outward conduct which is seriously, clearly and steadfastly contrary to the moral norm, the Church, in her pastoral concern for the good order of the community and out of respect for the sacrament, cannot fail to feel directly involved. The Code of Canon Law refers to this situation of a manifest lack of proper moral disposition when it states that those who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin are not to be admitted to Eucharistic communion.76
Cardinal Francis Arinze, prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and Discipline of the Sacraments, the Vatican's leading prelate on the Sacraments, declared unequivocally that unambiguously pro-abortion politicians should be denied Holy Communion. Arinze said, "If the person should not receive it, then it should not be given. Objectively, the answer is there."
Dear Bishop Meyers,
Which part of the Pope's words above, or Cardinal Arinze's statement reiterating and reinforcing the Pope's words, do you not understand.
You have two options: Obey, or not. Be courageous and follow Rome, or compromise with the Prince of this world.
"... I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live..."
Deuteronomy 30: 19
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posted on
05/25/2004 9:55:29 PM PDT
by
Polycarp IV
(PRO-LIFE orthodox Catholic--without exception, without compromise, without apology. Any questions?)
To: Coleus
Even Archbishop Myers said he admired Mr. McGreevey's politically deft response to the letter."I think he handled it brilliantly," the archbishop said. "Conservatives could appreciate that he accepted the authority of the church, and liberal Catholics could respect the fact that he stood by his convictions."
What, if anything, was going on in the bishop's head when he uttered these lines??? How to undo all the good you've accomplished!!!
To: Notwithstanding
"I think he handled it brilliantly," the archbishop said. "Conservatives could appreciate that he accepted the authority of the church, and liberal Catholics could respect the fact that he stood by his convictions."Can you make sense of this mess?
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05/25/2004 9:58:16 PM PDT
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sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: Coleus
Archbishop Myers said. "We have an understanding that I won't personally criticize him...even if he continues to support and promote a mass genocide, which is ever expanding, because I am compromised, insofar as we are working together on a lot of issues, like providing social services for the poor and helping people with H.I.V. So I think we reached an understanding IE I will continue to serve man rather than God. I actually like him, and I think we have a cordial relationship." Man that is, not so much with God.
HURL!!!!
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posted on
05/25/2004 10:01:49 PM PDT
by
cpforlife.org
(The Missing Key of the Pro-Life Movement is at www.CpForLife.org)
To: sinkspur
Sounds alot like echoing flip flops, don'tcha know.
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posted on
05/25/2004 10:02:23 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
To: Coleus; Notwithstanding
We have an understanding that I won't personally criticize him. And we are working together on a lot of issues, like providing social services for the poor and helping people with H.I.V. So I think we reached an understanding. I actually like him, and I think we have a cordial relationship."McGreevey's got Myers enthralled, somehow.
I'm no fan of Myers, but I just don't get a Catholic archbishop drooling over a politician like this.
It's unseemly.
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05/25/2004 10:07:05 PM PDT
by
sinkspur
(Adopt a dog or a cat from an animal shelter! It will save one life, and may save two.)
To: sinkspur
I don't see him drooling and if you read it carefully,he is right,Mcgreevy was deft. Deft is not exactly or necessarily a compliment.
And if you read this New York Times article,they were very clever,the Archbishop just reiteratd what he said in the letter. In that letter,he did not call McGreevy by name and had no intention of singling him out.He also did not say that he didn't mean what he said either.
If I were him I would have said "Oh,that was one of my 'if the shoe fits' letters",and let it go.
To: sinkspur
This is what I'm picking up ---
"You're bad!!"
"Nuh -uh! Am not!"
"I wasn't talking about YOU, just some other guys doing the same thing.
Although, since you now stand up for yourself, you're good! So we both win!"
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posted on
05/25/2004 11:59:40 PM PDT
by
stands2reason
( During the cola wars, France was occupied by Pepsi for six months.)
To: Coleus
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posted on
05/26/2004 5:20:39 AM PDT
by
ELS
To: Coleus
he would refrain from taking communion at public services but would never let the church sway his public policy decisions. No, of course not. That would mean holding to the central Catholic teaching that the Church's teachings are superior to his private judgements.
Sheesh.
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05/26/2004 5:29:47 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: Coleus
liberal Catholics could respect the fact that he stood by his convictions."What does this even mean -- apart from the fact that after barely a week of moral clarity the babbling, backpedaling Myers is exhausted and has lost his nerve? Since when is obstinate disobediance a virtue? Since when are private "convictions" (don't make me laugh) the standard of truth and reliability?
This isn't at all what I'd expected of Myers.
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05/26/2004 5:44:12 AM PDT
by
Romulus
("For the anger of man worketh not the justice of God.")
To: 2nd amendment mama; A2J; Agitate; Alouette; Annie03; aposiopetic; attagirl; axel f; Balto_Boy; ...
Translation: Archbishop Myers denies doing his freaking job. If John the Baptist could rebuke Herod, why would a Catholic bishop refrain from educating a Catholic politician about Catholic doctrine? ProLife Ping!
If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.
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05/26/2004 6:44:55 AM PDT
by
Mr. Silverback
(Pre-empt the third murder attempt: Pray for Terri Schindler-Schiavo!)
To: Mr. Silverback
Our day of judgement just got one day closer.
To: sinkspur
I think the Archbishop (as well as many of us) are delighted (sad that something like this delights us) that a "Catholic" public figure who rejects Church teaching is actually trying to follow the rules to the extent his conscience (however poorly formed it may be) allows.
By this I mean that Gov. McGreevey, rather than foisting himself upon us as a "Catholic in good standing", is publicly acknowledging that he is not in good standing with the ranking Catholic authority of NJ (the Archbishop of Newark).
While his position on abortion is sinister (and commone for "Catholic" politicians), his candor in admitting his lack of good standing is extremely unususal.
This is very refreshing (again, sad that things are so bad that something so pathetic is refreshing).
To: 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; annalex; ...
The latest scuttlebutt is that the Archdiocese intends to make $$$Millions selling off land, parking lots, real estate, schools and churches in the area of Newark where McGreevey and the DEMOCRATS are intending to build the NEW SPORTS Arena. As a way to save money and manpower, the archdiocese is planning on closing and consolidating about 45 churches, some are in the area where the Arena is going to be built. I don't think the Archbishop wants to rock the boat while millions are to be made. This is the rumor that's going around.
Most people of New Jersey do NOT want another sports arena, we already have the Meadowlands where an arena exists and Giant's Stadium and a Racetrack. We still owe $400 million on the present Continental Airlines Arena and nobody wants one to be built in Newark. The Democrats intend to build Xanadu, a hotel and sports theme park complex in the WETLANDS, yes it's fine when democrats fill in and destroy wetlands when THEY do it and want to pay off the unions, bond brokers, lawyers, and construction workers.
NJ Environmental Divide, Crusaders split over how to confront Xanadu in E.Rutherford Meadowlands
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posted on
05/30/2004 7:01:44 PM PDT
by
Coleus
(Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
To: Coleus
The diocese probably needs to sell off land and churches as immigrant Catholics move to the suburbs and are replaced by non Catholic. It happens all the time. The REAL sad part is that many of these churches are heritage buildings that should be kept for their beauty. But they are not needed as churches per se.
As for making money off of land: Usually stadiums are put where land is cheap and buildings are so run down that no one wants them, so they can be torn down...
Mother Cabrini was well known for her real estate shrewdness, i.e. buying land that was worthless and later selling it off. She used the profits to build hospitals and schools for poor immigrants (mainly Italians whose grandkids now are middle class). And she is now a saint...making money honestly is not a sin in Catholicism.
However, since the bishop just took over, one suspects he wasn't buying up cheap land to make a profit. Don't know if his predecessor was that smart, however...
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posted on
05/31/2004 6:52:11 AM PDT
by
LadyDoc
(liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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