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To: Turbo Pig
Since you can't seemed to be bothered to find out what they are

I've known for years. It is a call for Muslims to come to prayer, not a call for non-Muslims to convert.

There are others out there that are, shall we say, a bit more militant.

That exact call is the one prescribed by Mohammed for the call to prayer. Anything else is stuff people made up later.

As stated, the noise argument is easily made. It does not address the root of the problem. That root is that US citizens have the right to not to be preached to within the confines of their own homes, or on their property.

The noise argument is all that is necessary. When you're allowed to shoot Jehova's Witnesses on sight, then I'll agree there's an absolute right not to hear anything religious within your household. Now for property rights and zoning reasons, you should have the right to stop some recurring loud sound that pushes that message into your house.

165 posted on 05/25/2004 10:51:58 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
You and I are basically on the same side on this one. The big differences are:

a) I am of the opinion that the moslem call to prayer is a form of preaching, and thus proselytizing (sp?), you are not. You equate the words to church bells; in which case you are wrong.

b) because you do not see the prosylization angle, you do not see this as a religious arguement, as well as a property rights argument. You miss the important fact that islam is as much an ideology as it is a religion. By islams own actions, anything that goes on concerning a moslem is a religious argument.

Only part of your last statement I have issue with is:

When you're allowed to shoot Jehova's Witnesses on sight, then I'll agree there's an absolute right not to hear anything religious within your household.

In some parts of the backwoods of Missouri it is legal to shoot them one sight:-)

Seriously, though, I do have the right to tell them to leave, no matter what their message. By not banning the calls to prayer in their current state, the city council has taken that right away from property owners. They are forced, by law, to listen to the message that the moslems send out.

So, we not only have a loud noise that neighbors have to contend with (property rights) but you have a local government establishing, through law, a single religion's right to come into a person's home, or property, and preach their message. If the moslems were simply chiming bells 5 times a day, the home owners wouldn't have such a compelling argument against the calls to prayer.

179 posted on 05/25/2004 11:32:50 AM PDT by Turbo Pig (...to close with and destroy the enemy...)
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