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To: Anti-Bubba182
Again, the timeline bothers me... when were these complaints made, and by whom?
Once more, I am not absolving her of responsibility.. She was the General in charge.
Were these charges made before or after the January investigation was initiated?
If before, how far back? 6 months? a year? Why wasn't discipline addressed before the 800th was deployed to Iraq?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1132460/posts

An Army report into the abuses at the prison, written by Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, faulted Karpinski and other commanders in the brigade and its subordinate battalions, saying leaders paid too little attention to the prison's day-to-day operations.
Previous abuses of prisoners or lapses at the prison went unpunished or unheeded, the report found.

Karpinski's subordinates at Abu Ghraib at times disregarded her commands, and didn't enforce codes on wearing uniforms and saluting superiors, which added to the lax standards that prevailed at the prison, said one member of the 800th MP Brigade.

The soldier, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said commanders in the field routinely ignored Karpinski's orders, saying they didn't have to listen to her because she was a woman.

Sounds like a hell of a lot more than Karpinski to me..
Granted, she will be held responsible for it..

22 posted on 05/25/2004 5:11:46 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom.... not just a job, ... It's An Adventure!!!)
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To: Drammach
It looks like the initial investigation began in the summer of 2003, per the link in my post 14. This would have been a separate investigation from the one on the prison abuse which began in January 2003.

2 Generals Outline Lag in Notification on Abuse Reports

"...General Abizaid and General Sanchez acknowledged there were plenty of warning signs from military officials that Abu Ghraib was a growing problem, but not for abusive behavior.

General Abizaid said he sent the Central Command inspector general to Abu Ghraib last August and was informed of a list of problems.

"They were overcrowded," General Abizaid said. "We didn't have the M.P.'s in the right place. We were moving into facilities that had been destroyed or damaged by the war. We had an intelligence problem in that the tactical units were not getting feedback from the detainees."

L. Paul Bremer III, the chief American administrator in Iraq, was complaining to senior officers to improve the screening process at the prison, and to release those detainees who were not considered a security threat or source of intelligence.

By last summer and into November, when many of the worst abuses are said to have occurred, General Sanchez as well as the Army's senior law enforcement officer, Maj. Gen. Donald Ryder, had visited the prison. But officers said on Wednesday that they had no inkling of the abuses.

"Because General Ryder was there, because General Sanchez was there, because half a dozen other important people that went there to visit it didn't see it, it doesn't mean it wasn't happening," said General Abizaid. "We have a lot to understand about what went on in that organization and why and who was responsible."

Another officer, Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller, then head of detention operations at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, was sent by the Pentagon in August to assess intelligence, interrogation and detention practices at the Iraqi prisons. When his team found one site operating in an "unsatisfactory manner," General Miller said he immediately alerted General Sanchez, who ordered that corrections be made within 48 hours.

General Miller defended a series of recommendations that his team presented to General Sanchez, including having military police "set the conditions" for successful interrogations. General Miller said his recommendation called for military guards to conduct "passive intelligence gathering" by observing the prisoners and who they talked to, and reporting this to military intelligence officers before interrogations.

General Miller said 200 pages of detailed operating procedures were drafted from his recommendations and passed down the chain of command. He said all interrogation techniques in Iraq complied with the Geneva Conventions...."

The investigation that produced the Taguba Report began:

TORTURE AT ABU GHRAIB

"..The abuses became public because of the outrage of Specialist Joseph M. Darby, an M.P. whose role emerged during the Article 32 hearing against Chip Frederick. A government witness, Special Agent Scott Bobeck, who is a member of the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, or C.I.D., told the court, according to an abridged transcript made available to me, “The investigation started after SPC Darby . . . got a CD from CPL Graner. . . . He came across pictures of naked detainees.” Bobeck said that Darby had “initially put an anonymous letter under our door, then he later came forward and gave a sworn statement. He felt very bad about it and thought it was very wrong.”.."

24 posted on 05/25/2004 6:32:58 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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