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To: Anti-Bubba182
While Gen. Karpinski does bear some of the responsibility, she is apparently correct on one point..

Authority was taken from her, and given to military intelligence..
This is verified in Gen. Taguba's report..

3. (U) In addition to MG Ryder’s and MG Miller’s Reports, the team reviewed numerous reference materials including the 12 October 2003 CJTF-7 Interrogation and Counter-Resistance Policy, the AR 15-6 Investigation on Riot and Shootings at Abu Ghraib on 24 November 2003, the 205thMI Brigade’s Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROE), facility staff logs/journals and numerous records of AR 15-6 investigations and Serious Incident Reports (SIRs) on detainee escapes/shootings and disciplinary matters from the 800th MP Brigade. (ANNEXES 5-20, 37, 93, and 94)

The October 12 policy statement has been noted as the "unofficial" takeover, just a week or so before the charged abuses began to take place..
On Nov. 19, 2003, authority was "officially" (written orders were signed) transferred to Military Intelligence..

Very shortly thereafter, leaks concerning abuse began to emerge.. note the Nov. 24 2003 Riot and Shooting incident above..

It's all well and good to investigate Gen. Karpinski, and charge her with relevent failures of command.. If she's found guilty, she should be punished according to the UCMJ..
The fact that she was a female General Officer may well have to do with the laxness of her command..
But it also probably had to do with the ease with which the Military Intelligence command was able to usurp and override her authority...
She should have raised a big stink about it, right up the chain of command, generating tons of paperwork.. traceable paperwork..

There are others responsible here.. Sanchez, most probably.... Miller, by all reports, another..
Taguba himself, may be covering his own butt as well..

We will see what we will see...

13 posted on 05/25/2004 2:23:26 AM PDT by Drammach (Freedom.... not just a job, ... It's An Adventure!!!)
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To: Drammach
Damn right the authority was taken from her. She was so lax they had to do something to control the prison. If she was not a female, she would have been relieved right then.

Torture scandal fingerprints

"..A military investigation in late summer 2003 of the 800th Military Police Brigade under Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski by Maj. Gen. Geoffrey D. Miller found a breakdown in discipline at the prison. When told that her troops were not even saluting, the general refused to order them to begin doing so. Central Command, concerned about the breakdown but apparently worried about disciplining one of the highest ranking female Army officers in Iraq, devised a compromise bureaucratic solution to hand control of the critical central interrogation prison at Abu Ghraib to the military intelligence unit questioning the prisoners..."

This was well before the abuse scandal broke.

"But it also probably had to do with the ease with which the Military Intelligence command was able to usurp and override her authority..."

No usurpation involved, her incompetence made it necessary.

" There are others responsible here.. Sanchez, most probably.... Miller, by all reports, another.. Taguba himself, may be covering his own butt as well.."

Probably...by all reports..may be....

14 posted on 05/25/2004 3:20:49 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Drammach
Interesting.

Who has noted that the October 12 Interrogation and Counter-Resistance Policy was an unofficial takeover of General Karpinski's command? The Taguba Report doesn't directly say it. The policy itself was in an Annex to the report, which was not publicly released (although I think the Slimes and Compost may have it, I can't find it on the Internet).
30 posted on 05/25/2004 9:13:36 AM PDT by conservative in nyc
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