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To: Zionist Conspirator
I haven't reviewed the piece in question so I have no basis on which to debate this with you.

On the general subject of creationism vs evolution, IIRC the official position of the Church takes the Biblical approach. Jesus said that a day for God is unfathomable for us. Where Genesis says God created the Earth in 6 days, we don't take that to be six revolutions of the Earth. God has been very consistent in history in using nature as His natural craftsman.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day.

56 posted on 05/25/2004 11:14:52 AM PDT by pgyanke ("The Son of God became a man to enable men to become sons of God" - C.S. Lewis)
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To: pgyanke
On the general subject of creationism vs evolution, IIRC the official position of the Church takes the Biblical approach. Jesus said that a day for God is unfathomable for us. Where Genesis says God created the Earth in 6 days, we don't take that to be six revolutions of the Earth. God has been very consistent in history in using nature as His natural craftsman.

2 Peter 3:8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day

I'm disappointed but not surprised to learn your view of creation (it is, after all, shared by almost all Catholics including those on FreeRepublic). As for nature as G-d's "natural craftsman," nature and the laws thereof did not exist until they were created during the Six Days (unless you want to make them pre-existent absolutes that governed the creation process from the outset, which is very much like insisting that a ticking clock must have ticked itself into existence). Even around people like you I would not fit into the Catholic Church and would be very miserable. Do these "laws of nature" bring about chr*stian miracles (water into wine, the resurrection, transubstantiation) in the same way, or is it only Jewish miracles that are explained away in this manner?

As for the quote, I don't accept the "new testament," but it's a quote from Tehillim. Still, does this mean that six thousand years were necessary (and I doubt you believe it took such a small amount of time) in order for the laws of nature to be absolutized during the creation process?

All the same, you have been kind to me, and I thank you, even though I shall never be at peace with anyone who mythologizes the Torah.

58 posted on 05/25/2004 12:12:12 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Save Jewish lives--ARM JEWS!!!)
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To: pgyanke; Zionist Conspirator

"I haven't reviewed the piece in question so I have no basis on which to debate this with you."

If its the "Documentary Hypothesis" first espoused by Wellhausen that ZC is criticizing, then this has never been accepted by the Church as a valid hypothesis - even though many "biblical scholars" and theologians accept it as fact.

The late Fr. William J Most did some excellent work debunking this theory, and I believe Scott Hahn also teaches against it.

The Roman Theological Forum is dedicated to expunging the malicious effects of higher criticism from Catholic theology and their website is well worth a visit:

www.rtforum.org


97 posted on 05/25/2004 4:52:38 PM PDT by Tantumergo
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