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Some Calif. state senators protest pastor calling absent working moms 'sinful'
Sac Bee ^ | May 24, 04 | Sac Bee

Posted on 05/24/2004 7:49:55 PM PDT by churchillbuff

Several state senators donned kitchen aprons and scarlet "M"s Monday to protest remarks by a pastor who said female lawmakers with small children at home were "sinful." Sen. Debra Bowen said the domestic revolt was to point out that the lawmakers with children "can do as good a job being parents as they can being legislators."

Bowen and other lawmakers said they were furious to learn that the Rev. Ralph Drollinger, who leads a Bible study class for lawmakers, wrote in a Bible lesson that women lawmakers with young children at home are sinners. "It is one thing for a mother to work out of her home while her children are in school," wrote Drollinger. "It is quite another matter to have children in the home and live away in Sacramento for four days a week. Whereas the former could be in keeping with the spirit of Proverbs 31, the latter is sinful."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; US: California
KEYWORDS: christianity; democrats
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To: ConservativeMan55
Is that huge string of <br>'s really necessary?
21 posted on 05/24/2004 8:37:14 PM PDT by Imal (I am sure "Fahrenheit 9/11" is as fine a film as this year's Cannes jury is capable of appreciating.)
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To: Imal

Sorry. Some clown named Major Risktaker pinged me to a HUGE ass graphic. Its screwing up the "my comments" page. So I am bumping long so that it will get knocked off the page.


22 posted on 05/24/2004 8:38:20 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I've almost got it!


23 posted on 05/24/2004 8:38:50 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: familyop

,,, everything these days seems to rest on what's best for the children. Custody cases are at the forefront of that maxim. Four days a week out of the home is putting a dollar each way on life... "I'll have kids, but I'll outsource their care." That's a made in China ethic, tried and true.


24 posted on 05/24/2004 8:42:29 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: DeweyCA
Is this the same Ralph Drollinger who was a Center for the UCLA Bruins basketball

I believe so

25 posted on 05/24/2004 8:43:58 PM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: ConservativeMan55
Ouch! There must be a better way. Here, I'll give you a little extra whitespace to help...













:)
26 posted on 05/24/2004 8:45:32 PM PDT by Imal (I am sure "Fahrenheit 9/11" is as fine a film as this year's Cannes jury is capable of appreciating.)
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To: churchillbuff

Absent fathers should receive the same condemnation.


27 posted on 05/24/2004 9:16:05 PM PDT by ellery (Was Abe Lincoln a "chickenhawk?")
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To: Imal

Thanks!


28 posted on 05/24/2004 9:20:03 PM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (http://www.osurepublicans.com)
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To: shaggy eel

Yes, exactly, and child care by way of more government taxation will be too expensive for all besides being a means of government rearing children instead of parents doing so.


29 posted on 05/24/2004 9:21:24 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop
government rearing

,,, the hammer hits the nail on the head.

30 posted on 05/24/2004 9:23:25 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: churchillbuff; shaggy eel
Driving the Divorce Rate: Who’s Teaching the Women?

It contains cites to references.
31 posted on 05/24/2004 9:27:19 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: shaggy eel

",, the hammer hits the nail on the head."

LOL! ...no pun intended.


32 posted on 05/24/2004 9:28:10 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: familyop

,,, post #31 - good work!


33 posted on 05/24/2004 9:34:01 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: churchillbuff

I am a mom who has to work because I am a widow, and although I do believe my situation is a result of sin, I don't think that it is a sin to try to provide the best for my child by earning a living.

Each working moms case would be different but I suspect a lot of these woman legislators could perhaps not be working for God or their children but for themselves, which then would be a sin. But who are we to judge?

Funny however, if the Reverend would have just said he felt these woman were trying to climb the ladder of success for personal gain, he would have been praised, but in essence that is what he was meaning by saying these woman were sinning since they seemed more self motivating for personal gain than the success of their children.

A sad commentary about the whole issue is that using the word "sin" seems to be a derogatory word that cannot ever be spoken in public, even if it is meant for constrictive criticism. The word "sin" is so inflammatory to the self righteous they want to stamp out any utter of it so they themselves do not have to face their own judgment, explaining the odd antics and reaction!


34 posted on 05/24/2004 9:38:55 PM PDT by seastay
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To: churchillbuff

Thank god there is an endless supply of sh*t.


35 posted on 05/24/2004 9:41:22 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: seastay
Each working moms case would be different but I suspect a lot of these woman legislators could perhaps not be working for God or their children but for themselves, which then would be a sin. But who are we to judge?

I'm not sure that the Reverend is talking about ALL women who work. It sounds like he is speaking specifically about the female legislators, ** who are living away from the family home for 4 days per week**.

I cannot disagree.

36 posted on 05/24/2004 9:42:37 PM PDT by Dianna
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To: seastay

Widows are most often very different from divorcees (that is, those who do the divorcing) at how they teach their children.

Widows do what they must. It is a sin to take from or to refuse to help widows and their children.


37 posted on 05/24/2004 9:44:29 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons)
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To: churchillbuff
Several state senators donned kitchen aprons and scarlet "M"s Monday to protest remarks by a pastor who said female lawmakers with small children at home were "sinful." Sen. Debra Bowen said the domestic revolt was to point out that the lawmakers with children "can do as good a job being parents as they can being legislators."

Wow, what a creative protest. Well, that convinces me that they're good mothers. </sarcasm>

38 posted on 05/24/2004 9:57:16 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: churchillbuff
About a dozen senators _ both male and female _ joined the protest, including the usually bombastic Senate President Pro Tem John Burton, who presided over the Senate while adorned in a pink flowered apron.

What does the reporter mean "usually bombastic"? I have met the scowling, abrasive, profane Mr. Burton, and he would be bombastic wearing a corset and a hoopskirt. The only difference between him and Congressman Pete Stark (he of the insulting voice mail message to a constituent) is that Burton usually is smart enough not to cuss at people in front of a microphone or a camera.

Note that there were no Republican lawmakers who were spoken of as participating in this nonsense. Not that they were necessarily in agreement, but that they didn't lower themselves to stunts like this.

This is what being a Californian is about, all you folks from the other 49. Putting up with this crapola -- and worse -- from our "leaders."

39 posted on 05/24/2004 10:43:31 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: churchillbuff

"can do as good a job being parents as they can being legislators."

Yup. Crappy, evil legislators; crappy, evil moms.


40 posted on 05/25/2004 12:02:19 AM PDT by dsc (The Crusades were the first wars on terrorism.)
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